What city in the Middle East has the most UA/*A longhaul flights eastward?
Jul 14, 2016, 3:14 am
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What city in the Middle East has the most UA/*A longhaul flights eastward?
I know...weird question..but wondering what city has the most *A/UA flights (longhaul) that go eastward? I looked at TLV and Cairo, and neither have that many. Figured the experts here would know.
Jul 14, 2016, 4:15 am
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The obvious answers are in major *A hubs, so it's got to be IST (ok technically in Europe, but only 10km away from Asia and an awful lot nearer than CAI. Apart from that, it's very piecemeal but it's going to be somewhere that all the Asian *A carriers fly to. UA won't have any flights. Of course, if we are including Africa, then it will be ADD.
Jul 14, 2016, 4:53 am
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The obvious answers are in major *A hubs, so it's got to be IST (ok technically in Europe, but only 10km away from Asia and an awful lot nearer than CAI. Apart from that, it's very piecemeal but it's going to be somewhere that all the Asian *A carriers fly to. UA won't have any flights. Of course, if we are including Africa, then it will be ADD.
I guess my question is better asked, what *A hubs exist in the middle east?
(good point about no UA...that's not a problem)
Jul 14, 2016, 5:42 am
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No Middle East airlines = no Middle East star alliance hubs.
Jul 14, 2016, 5:48 am
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Perhaps it would be easier if you state exactly why you have these restrictions. CAI, according to your OP is ok, notwithstanding that it's not in Asia. But IST, which is less than 10 miles from Asia, is not ok. If we could understand what you want to achieve, then it would be easier to answer.
Jul 14, 2016, 6:19 am
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SAW airport in Istanbul is in Asia, lots of flights to europe on Turkish and Pegasus Airlines.
I know Tblisi in georgia has a good amount of flights too. It seems to me a lot of these cities in the Middle East are only served now by Lufthansa and Turkish with UA retreating from the region. If you want to go to Asia there are lots of airlines serving BAH / Bahrain (Thai, Air India are a few). For Africa we have Ethiopian and there are a few 5th freedom flights, for Example Frankfurt - Jeddah - Addis Ababba. Good luck
I know Tblisi in georgia has a good amount of flights too. It seems to me a lot of these cities in the Middle East are only served now by Lufthansa and Turkish with UA retreating from the region. If you want to go to Asia there are lots of airlines serving BAH / Bahrain (Thai, Air India are a few). For Africa we have Ethiopian and there are a few 5th freedom flights, for Example Frankfurt - Jeddah - Addis Ababba. Good luck
Jul 15, 2016, 6:28 am
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Perhaps it would be easier if you state exactly why you have these restrictions. CAI, according to your OP is ok, notwithstanding that it's not in Asia. But IST, which is less than 10 miles from Asia, is not ok. If we could understand what you want to achieve, then it would be easier to answer.
sorry for the vagueness. I can pm you more information and details of what I'm trying to do.
Jul 15, 2016, 6:41 am
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In order to answer the question, someone has to define which areas/countries belong to the Middle East. Depending on who you ask, the list may vary slightly.
If we go with what Wikipedia defines as "traditionally included":
The inclusion of Turkey is based on the CIA World Facebook, and modern-day Turkey occupies land that in a broad, historic meaning was part of the Levant (but is not considered part of the Levant in more modern usage).
Using that definition, all of Turkey is included, so the answer to the OP's question would be "IST".
If you exclude Turkey, the answer would probably be "CAI", although it's possible that there are more eastbound *A flights from DXB.
If we go with what Wikipedia defines as "traditionally included":
Territories and regions usually within the Middle East
Traditionally included within the Middle East are Iran (Persia), Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, the Levant, the Arabian Peninsula, and Egypt. In modern-day-country terms they are these:
Bahrain
Cyprus
Egypt
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Palestine
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Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Traditionally included within the Middle East are Iran (Persia), Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, the Levant, the Arabian Peninsula, and Egypt. In modern-day-country terms they are these:
Bahrain
Cyprus
Egypt
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Palestine
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Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Using that definition, all of Turkey is included, so the answer to the OP's question would be "IST".
If you exclude Turkey, the answer would probably be "CAI", although it's possible that there are more eastbound *A flights from DXB.
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Jul 15, 2016, 6:49 am
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Conversely, if you are going by UA's definition of Middle East, which is sounds like you might be, then Turkey is in Europe. CAI is in the Middle East.
Using UA's definition, and has been talked about already, there are no *A hubs there outside of CAI. But CAI only has a few *A l/h flights eastbound. The largest number of *A l/h flights from within UA's Middle East is probably DXB. You have a few on Air China to Beijing and Chongqing, Thai to Bangkok, and SQ to Singapore. And while not longhaul, plenty of flights to India by Air India.
You've certainly peaked my interest in this, though.
Using UA's definition, and has been talked about already, there are no *A hubs there outside of CAI. But CAI only has a few *A l/h flights eastbound. The largest number of *A l/h flights from within UA's Middle East is probably DXB. You have a few on Air China to Beijing and Chongqing, Thai to Bangkok, and SQ to Singapore. And while not longhaul, plenty of flights to India by Air India.
You've certainly peaked my interest in this, though.
Jul 15, 2016, 7:39 am
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The inclusion of Turkey is based on the CIA World Facebook, and modern-day Turkey occupies land that in a broad, historic meaning was part of the Levant (but is not considered part of the Levant in more modern usage).
Using that definition, all of Turkey is included, so the answer to the OP's question would be "IST".
If you exclude Turkey, the answer would probably be "CAI", although it's possible that there are more eastbound *A flights from DXB.
Using that definition, all of Turkey is included, so the answer to the OP's question would be "IST".
If you exclude Turkey, the answer would probably be "CAI", although it's possible that there are more eastbound *A flights from DXB.
So, technically, UA is correct with its chart on IST. But, by the same measure, it's wrong on CAI as most of Egypt, including CAI is in Africa, with only the Sinai peninsula being in Asia. But geography is not really UA's strong suit.
Jul 15, 2016, 7:55 am
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Assume OP is using some kind of award or cert restriction - or anything that restricts him or her from any other gateway. Maybe there's an award "loophole" he or she has found.
Jul 15, 2016, 10:04 am
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Using a generous definition of the mideast above, and an approximate definition of east, and considering >6h block time to be longhaul, I came up with this list for *A carriers:
I'm a bit skeptical of AUH over DXB, not sure what's going on there.
Code:
origin | daily_flights | annual_destinations --------+---------------+--------------------- IST | 35.7 | 21 AUH | 15.4 | 10 DXB | 11.2 | 7 CAI | 4.2 | 3 TLV | 1.3 | 2 SHJ | 1.1 | 2 DOH | 0.9 | 2 MCT | 0.7 | 1 KHI | 0.6 | 2 BAH | 0.5 | 1 DWC | 0.4 | 1
Jul 15, 2016, 12:10 pm
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AA also
, as did the LH folks
My guess is there is some historical reason for this
Jul 15, 2016, 12:22 pm
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Using a generous definition of the mideast above, and an approximate definition of east, and considering >6h block time to be longhaul, I came up with this list for *A carriers:
I'm a bit skeptical of AUH over DXB, not sure what's going on there.
Code:
origin | daily_flights | annual_destinations --------+---------------+--------------------- IST | 35.7 | 21 AUH | 15.4 | 10 DXB | 11.2 | 7 CAI | 4.2 | 3 TLV | 1.3 | 2 SHJ | 1.1 | 2 DOH | 0.9 | 2 MCT | 0.7 | 1 KHI | 0.6 | 2 BAH | 0.5 | 1 DWC | 0.4 | 1
I'm looking at the AUH website and the only *A airlines that fly there seem to be A3/AI/LH/MS/TK and AI is the only airline that flies east from there...
Jul 15, 2016, 1:56 pm
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It was codeshares, some *A carrier is codesharing on EY.
Here's the same numbers without codeshares:
Here's the same numbers without codeshares:
Code:
origin | daily_flights | annual_destinations --------+---------------+--------------------- IST | 22.8 | 21 DXB | 3.1 | 4 CAI | 2.0 | 3 SHJ | 1.1 | 2 KHI | 0.6 | 2 DWC | 0.4 | 1 DOH | 0.1 | 1 BAH | 0.1 | 1
