UA resuming EWR - ATH; launching IAD - BCN, IAD -LIS
Oct 10, 2015, 10:41 am
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full list of changes, including Asia and South America....
http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/10/ua-s16update2/
http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/10/ua-s16update2/
Oct 10, 2015, 10:58 am
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Anybody here as old as me to have flown all UA metal SFO-CDG-ATH! That was the day....
Oct 10, 2015, 11:59 am
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Oct 10, 2015, 12:06 pm
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UA is really flexing their international muscle now. Been a long time since we've seen a U.S. carrier go gangbusters like this. UA's network just gets better and better. Hopefully they have a better summer operationally to match.
Oct 10, 2015, 12:57 pm
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Of those two, BCN really had me excited until I saw the dates - Mobile World Congress falls outside of them, so I won't get to knock three or so hours off my travel time home.
Oct 10, 2015, 1:03 pm
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Yields to IST are still probably worse than peak-season ATH, even with tourist traffic. Otherwise I doubt UA would have a problem returning to the EWR-IST market. Plus, when UA yanked EWR-IST, fuel prices were materially higher and TK was dumping a ton of capacity in the NYC market, with multiple daily 77W. They've backed off it a bit, replacing with some A330 frequencies, and deploying 777s elsewhere in their system.
ATH, like VCE and FCO, is an incredibly seasonal market, and during the peak season can even drive a reasonable amount of leisure-oriented premium cabin traffic. Surprisingly, the markets don't even require a great deal of discounting, but that kind of demand is extremely seasonal in nature, which is why UA is engaging in a lot of this type of flying to take advantage of peak demand where nonstop service may warrant a premium. The rest of the year, the nonstop goes away and traffic can simply be routed over a European hub rather than generate enough red ink to wipe out the 2Q/3Q gains.
ATH, like VCE and FCO, is an incredibly seasonal market, and during the peak season can even drive a reasonable amount of leisure-oriented premium cabin traffic. Surprisingly, the markets don't even require a great deal of discounting, but that kind of demand is extremely seasonal in nature, which is why UA is engaging in a lot of this type of flying to take advantage of peak demand where nonstop service may warrant a premium. The rest of the year, the nonstop goes away and traffic can simply be routed over a European hub rather than generate enough red ink to wipe out the 2Q/3Q gains.
Oct 10, 2015, 1:10 pm
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Since this announcement covered TATL adds, I'll point out that, in TATL YTD revenue passenger miles, UA is #3 in a 3-way race among U.S. carriers. See the early October traffic releases from the respective carriers.
Oct 10, 2015, 3:27 pm
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I'm not sure why ATH is getting a bad rap. DL does 2x in the summer. The market is there for it. Aegean Airlines will also have some connecting cities that this will work for. Don't understand how UA adds a flight and now people are complaining about a dart board. Will people ever be happy? This is a fantastic use of a 767, with more 787 coming on board they finally have enough aircraft.
Oct 10, 2015, 3:30 pm
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Oct 10, 2015, 4:38 pm
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Oct 10, 2015, 5:21 pm
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