LAX-EWR PS yet if on Biz First 752?
Jun 30, 2015, 7:12 am
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To get back to the OP's question, the part of ps service I value is the nice pillow and thick quilt that comes with the flat bed. Will the OP's flight feature instead "coach" grade bedding?
Not so many years ago I was on a nighttime domestic leg that featured unexpected 757 international equipment. United didn't bother to provide the companion international bedding. This was one of the first moments I became aware that the new United could be really unclear on the concept.
Having flown transcons on most routes, I get it that United sees a hierarchy of markets. This view should stay in the board room, it is unbelievably stupid to tip one's hand here, as if the lesser market natives won't notice. Catchers frame pitches in baseball. If one actually has decent equipment, framing it as world class is the easy part. This was what was so stunningly stupid about boarding a flight with beds but not pillows.
Not so many years ago I was on a nighttime domestic leg that featured unexpected 757 international equipment. United didn't bother to provide the companion international bedding. This was one of the first moments I became aware that the new United could be really unclear on the concept.
Having flown transcons on most routes, I get it that United sees a hierarchy of markets. This view should stay in the board room, it is unbelievably stupid to tip one's hand here, as if the lesser market natives won't notice. Catchers frame pitches in baseball. If one actually has decent equipment, framing it as world class is the easy part. This was what was so stunningly stupid about boarding a flight with beds but not pillows.
Jun 30, 2015, 7:57 am
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I guess you don't realize too that there are domestic GS'...JFK would be one prime station given the premium TCON traffic.
Jun 30, 2015, 8:24 am
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As Often1 as pointed out, using ground employees' opinions have a few pitfalls :
1. Limited sample size and anecdotal nature of evidence
2. Confirmation bias
3. Personal situation (e.g. possibility of layoff) skewing opinions
Any large organization worth their salt should be using cold, hard data to make business decisions.
CAPA actually supports UA's decision :
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-market-232380
"United’s moves in the New York market may look as if it is ceding some key transcontinental routes to its competitors. But the reality is the dynamics have changed significantly on those routes during the last couple of years and moving the flights where they have the potential to turn a profit is the right decision."
1. Limited sample size and anecdotal nature of evidence
2. Confirmation bias
3. Personal situation (e.g. possibility of layoff) skewing opinions
Any large organization worth their salt should be using cold, hard data to make business decisions.
CAPA actually supports UA's decision :
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-market-232380
"United’s moves in the New York market may look as if it is ceding some key transcontinental routes to its competitors. But the reality is the dynamics have changed significantly on those routes during the last couple of years and moving the flights where they have the potential to turn a profit is the right decision."
Jun 30, 2015, 8:32 am
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CAPA actually supports UA's decision :
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-market-232380
"United’s moves in the New York market may look as if it is ceding some key transcontinental routes to its competitors. But the reality is the dynamics have changed significantly on those routes during the last couple of years and moving the flights where they have the potential to turn a profit is the right decision."
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-market-232380
"United’s moves in the New York market may look as if it is ceding some key transcontinental routes to its competitors. But the reality is the dynamics have changed significantly on those routes during the last couple of years and moving the flights where they have the potential to turn a profit is the right decision."
But this fits in the larger context of cutting quality, alienating employees and customers, fleeing competition, and retreating to captive hubs. Which leads to further retrenchment. It's a vicious cycle.
Jun 30, 2015, 8:40 am
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Or UA announcing LAX-MEL and DL/VA immediately fleeing to LAX-BNE.
So you're saying you're smarter than both UA and CAPA ?
Jun 30, 2015, 8:45 am
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Jun 30, 2015, 8:52 am
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Some will undoubtedly. And it's likely also that some won't. So for the latter group, they'll switch to another airline, which is why the other airlines are increasing capacity. UA clearly think that the proportion who won't switch is small and containable (and within the capacity reduction that is happening).
Jun 30, 2015, 10:01 am
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Also note that there is a TON of award space available in biz on the EWR ps flights right now. Literally every single day(except around XMAS) has multiple flights that have multiple seats available.
Not sure why this is the case, as I was checking the biz availability on JFK-PS before the move from JFK to EWR was announced, and the availability was terrible even 6+ months out.
Not sure why this is the case, as I was checking the biz availability on JFK-PS before the move from JFK to EWR was announced, and the availability was terrible even 6+ months out.
Jun 30, 2015, 10:18 am
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Also note that there is a TON of award space available in biz on the EWR ps flights right now. Literally every single day(except around XMAS) has multiple flights that have multiple seats available.
Not sure why this is the case, as I was checking the biz availability on JFK-PS before the move from JFK to EWR was announced, and the availability was terrible even 6+ months out.
Not sure why this is the case, as I was checking the biz availability on JFK-PS before the move from JFK to EWR was announced, and the availability was terrible even 6+ months out.
Jun 30, 2015, 11:08 am
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There were no connections out of JFK. Those originating in JFK weren't flying to Asia on UA as they didn't need to connect through LAX/SFO. So that leaves Oz. Do you really think the number of flyers from JFK to Oz was all that high?
UA didn't think so or they would have increased the number of flights from EWR to LAX/SFO. UA didn't.
JFK-LAX/SFO was O/D traffic. The vast majority will be gone.
Last year when I did my last PS flight out of JFK, I told the agent I was leaving for AA. She told me, "Yeah, I hear that a lot."
Jun 30, 2015, 12:28 pm
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The yields on the O/D traffic also didn't tank until JetBlue introduced Mint and rewrote the fares a year ago. Once the dedicated p.s. stopped minting cash (pun intended) the company comes up with a different way to maximize profit with the new considerations.
Jun 30, 2015, 1:25 pm
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Should have phrased that more clearly.
Current ps frequency will more than double, since all flights EWR-SFO/LAX will now be ps. Overall frequency on EWR-SFO/LAX will stay more or less the same.
Current dedicated ps fleet cannot support the increased ps frequency that will come with this change. Not even close, in fact, since number of "ps" flights is essentially doubling.
Also should be clear I think this is a terrible move and that ps will ultimately disappear.
Current ps frequency will more than double, since all flights EWR-SFO/LAX will now be ps. Overall frequency on EWR-SFO/LAX will stay more or less the same.
Current dedicated ps fleet cannot support the increased ps frequency that will come with this change. Not even close, in fact, since number of "ps" flights is essentially doubling.
Also should be clear I think this is a terrible move and that ps will ultimately disappear.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...delta-one.html
Jun 30, 2015, 9:25 pm
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Also note that there is a TON of award space available in biz on the EWR ps flights right now. Literally every single day(except around XMAS) has multiple flights that have multiple seats available.
Not sure why this is the case, as I was checking the biz availability on JFK-PS before the move from JFK to EWR was announced, and the availability was terrible even 6+ months out.
Not sure why this is the case, as I was checking the biz availability on JFK-PS before the move from JFK to EWR was announced, and the availability was terrible even 6+ months out.