What are the plans to replace the lousy 2-4-2 Business Cabin on the PMUA 777?
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Either that or make sure you get a bulkhead seat since it has the wider footwell.
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He can take credit for continuing to install a now-obsolete J seat, however.
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The costs associated with changing out the seats every 3 years as something new comes along are significant. Every carrier makes a huge investment when deciding to buy in to a product and the development life cycle is not short. It is not like an individual buying a new big screen TV each year for $1000 because they like the new features.
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UA also stopped before the merger to save cash. Choosing to finish the job rather than start anew was, IMO, the more practical choice. The seats are neither the best nor the worst in the market. They keep a higher density which allows more to be sold and the company didn't have to spend millions extra per plane to remove the already installed seats. Also, even at the end of the install process UA (or today) UA is ahead of many competitors in offering lie-flat biz seats on all long-haul flights.
The costs associated with changing out the seats every 3 years as something new comes along are significant. Every carrier makes a huge investment when deciding to buy in to a product and the development life cycle is not short. It is not like an individual buying a new big screen TV each year for $1000 because they like the new features.
The costs associated with changing out the seats every 3 years as something new comes along are significant. Every carrier makes a huge investment when deciding to buy in to a product and the development life cycle is not short. It is not like an individual buying a new big screen TV each year for $1000 because they like the new features.
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The costs associated with changing out the seats every 3 years as something new comes along are significant. Every carrier makes a huge investment when deciding to buy in to a product and the development life cycle is not short. It is not like an individual buying a new big screen TV each year for $1000 because they like the new features.
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In response to a few comments, I'll put it this way. Delta is in the process of selecting a next generation 1-2-1 J class seat for their A350-900s, arriving in two years. This seat will likely be installed on their 777s, replacing the first generation of 1-2-1 seating which was first unveiled seven years ago. Considering Delta is probably going to replace their first generation of direct aisle access seats with a new one shows you how far behind United is. While those testing the new seats didn't mention anything revolutionary, the fact that Delta wants to be up to date on 1-2-1 seating in J, shows you where their priorities are. Also considering the potential reduction in J class seating for the transition from a 2-4-2 format to a 1-2-1 format. Delta was able to fit the same number of J class seats on the A330 in the same space as when they inherited NW's 2-2-2 J class. Delta has chosen to reduce the number of J class not as a result of the 1-2-1 format, but rather increase the load factor of J and sell more seats in the rear. Keep in mind Delta only gives out 4 SWUs to DMs as an option, albeit without fare restrictions, and one can only upgrade with miles on M Class fares or above.
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It's competition and product evolution. At some point, customers who pay attention to these things will book away, and it will start costing them (if it hasn't already). That's where the money comes from. UA could run an Icelandair-style Business Class if they wanted to (like a domestic First class seat). They wouldn't get the same money they do today if they did that, though.
as for customer moving elsewhere, I struggle at finding available business class seats.
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What are the plans to replace the lousy 2-4-2 Busness Cabin on the PMUA 777?
Be careful what you wish for. While new, nicer J seats on the pmUA 777 would be great, installing them may mean fewer seats for upgrades.
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I'm so sick of the complaining comparing the PMUA C-Class seat - even in the middle -- to economy class by those who do not pay for their tickets.
Really?
It is still better than the the AA J-seat still present in in most of its 77s and lack of floor space aside, remains quite comfortable in a sitting and sleeping position. For those who don't have company-paid travel, it also allows for a relatively easy upgrade...a proposition that would be dashed if 2-4-2 went to 1-2-1.
Really?
It is still better than the the AA J-seat still present in in most of its 77s and lack of floor space aside, remains quite comfortable in a sitting and sleeping position. For those who don't have company-paid travel, it also allows for a relatively easy upgrade...a proposition that would be dashed if 2-4-2 went to 1-2-1.
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Don't agree with this at all as the assumption that there would be less J seats available for potential upgrade simply isn't true! Other carriers have managed to maintain approoriate J density by converting to 1-2-1 - UA can do the same....
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I'm so sick of the complaining comparing the PMUA C-Class seat - even in the middle -- to economy class by those who do not pay for their tickets.
Really?
It is still better than the the AA J-seat still present in in most of its 77s and lack of floor space aside, remains quite comfortable in a sitting and sleeping position. For those who don't have company-paid travel, it also allows for a relatively easy upgrade...a proposition that would be dashed if 2-4-2 went to 1-2-1.
Really?
It is still better than the the AA J-seat still present in in most of its 77s and lack of floor space aside, remains quite comfortable in a sitting and sleeping position. For those who don't have company-paid travel, it also allows for a relatively easy upgrade...a proposition that would be dashed if 2-4-2 went to 1-2-1.
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I'm so sick of the complaining comparing the PMUA C-Class seat - even in the middle -- to economy class by those who do not pay for their tickets.
Really?
It is still better than the the AA J-seat still present in in most of its 77s and lack of floor space aside, remains quite comfortable in a sitting and sleeping position. For those who don't have company-paid travel, it also allows for a relatively easy upgrade...a proposition that would be dashed if 2-4-2 went to 1-2-1.
Really?
It is still better than the the AA J-seat still present in in most of its 77s and lack of floor space aside, remains quite comfortable in a sitting and sleeping position. For those who don't have company-paid travel, it also allows for a relatively easy upgrade...a proposition that would be dashed if 2-4-2 went to 1-2-1.
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are passengers willing to pay an additional $1,000 per seat? I'm guessing not necessarily. If UA is generating revenue on this seat configuration, why would they reduce the cabin only to obtain the same price for that seat? UA would end up losing revenue unless each ticket price increased.
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For Upgrades it's OK
I agree if paying full fare business the 2-4-2 layout stinks. However, when trying to upgrade from Y as a 1K I am fine with it. Not ideal but acceptable. What would be nice is if United did a true premium economy on long haul that was 2-4-2 layout with slightly wider seats.