Phone Call from UA - Flight Activity
#16
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Interesting. One of the items I use to conclude that United really doesnt care very much about the loyalty of its passengers is how infrequently these calls happen. Folks will be a 1K for a decade, Million Miler Plus, then stop abruptly and rarely a peep from Willis Tower. Even the place that changes the oil in my car hounds me if I don't return in xxx months.
Maybe one of their random surveys or something was the meaning of the call, but who knows.
Either way, I didn't really provide them specifics - mainly because I wasn't even aware it was much different in my activity until I actually looked at it.
#17
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Interesting. One of the items I use to conclude that United really doesnt care very much about the loyalty of its passengers is how infrequently these calls happen. Folks will be a 1K for a decade, Million Miler Plus, then stop abruptly and rarely a peep from Willis Tower. Even the place that changes the oil in my car hounds me if I don't return in xxx months.
With the layoffs that have been announced in the Houston oil industry and the free spending patterns of the industry when times are good, I have to believe the fortress hub of IAH is beginning to see demand softening for premium cabins to places like Lagos.
With the layoffs that have been announced in the Houston oil industry and the free spending patterns of the industry when times are good, I have to believe the fortress hub of IAH is beginning to see demand softening for premium cabins to places like Lagos.
#18
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I wonder if it's random or if you are in some subset of passengers that someone follows specifically (i.e. a corporate contract, a station manager, etc)?
I quit UA cold turkey in mid-January and moved my monthly $4-10k spending to DL and haven't heard a peep. I've been GS for about 5 yrs averaging $40-70k a year in spend so you'd think whatever system they have to identify customers that have fallen off the wagon would have identified me.
I quit UA cold turkey in mid-January and moved my monthly $4-10k spending to DL and haven't heard a peep. I've been GS for about 5 yrs averaging $40-70k a year in spend so you'd think whatever system they have to identify customers that have fallen off the wagon would have identified me.
#20
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Interesting. One of the items I use to conclude that United really doesnt care very much about the loyalty of its passengers is how infrequently these calls happen. Folks will be a 1K for a decade, Million Miler Plus, then stop abruptly and rarely a peep from Willis Tower. Even the place that changes the oil in my car hounds me if I don't return in xxx months.
With the layoffs that have been announced in the Houston oil industry and the free spending patterns of the industry when times are good, I have to believe the fortress hub of IAH is beginning to see demand softening for premium cabins to places like Lagos.
With the layoffs that have been announced in the Houston oil industry and the free spending patterns of the industry when times are good, I have to believe the fortress hub of IAH is beginning to see demand softening for premium cabins to places like Lagos.
#21
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After I didn't make EXP requalification, I received a call from AA asking me to call them back (voice mail). I didn't. I received a subsequent call from them less than a month later about the same issue.
#22
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"Opinions" flavored by rewards might not be worth much (to United)
Tough crowd. Surprised that some are hostile to the idea of a phone call from someone they do a fair amount of business with, asking why (unless they get something in return).
When I go through my records and notice a familiar name that hasn't been in my shop for quite some time, I'll often send an email and ask what's up, is everything OK, did we do anything to scare them away? Tacking on some sort of reward or incentive for telling me would seem to cheapen things somehow; the nature of personal contact, rather than a survey, is that it's just that, personal and interactive. It shouldn't be (I think) flavored with a "what do I get out of this" sort of thing because, after all, it's not that hard to get customers if you simply offer them free stuff. What's hard is to stay in business doing so.
There will always be people who can easily be swayed by an offer to go this way, or that. As mentioned, those people can be "bought." More important are those you are failing because your basic value proposition is wrong, or because there was some specific area that you failed them. At least to me, as a business owner.
When I go through my records and notice a familiar name that hasn't been in my shop for quite some time, I'll often send an email and ask what's up, is everything OK, did we do anything to scare them away? Tacking on some sort of reward or incentive for telling me would seem to cheapen things somehow; the nature of personal contact, rather than a survey, is that it's just that, personal and interactive. It shouldn't be (I think) flavored with a "what do I get out of this" sort of thing because, after all, it's not that hard to get customers if you simply offer them free stuff. What's hard is to stay in business doing so.
There will always be people who can easily be swayed by an offer to go this way, or that. As mentioned, those people can be "bought." More important are those you are failing because your basic value proposition is wrong, or because there was some specific area that you failed them. At least to me, as a business owner.
#23
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Posted at 37000 ft over Mississippi enroute to FLL(meaning the WiFi must be working), having just had a really tasty dinner and...dang it, there's the FA again wanting to fill my wine glass with a decent Malbec...where was I? Oh yea, and not understanding what all the animas is about. UA is doing a pretty good job from where I sit.
#24
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I wish United would call me
After my final mileage run I wrote UA a postal letter telling them how much I dislike all the changes, I would love to get a call to discuss all the changes with UA over the past few years that I do not like.
-UFFA
-UFFA
#25
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It is interesting that United has begun these types of calls. Personal phone calls are the most expensive method of gathering this type of data.
I mentioned this about a year ago, but one of the challenges United must be facing is to decipher the impact of all their various changes are having on customer intent. If they are seeing trouble, it is now tough to figure out why.
Is it PQD? Changes to RDM earnings? Operations (broken down into many different categories...on-time, customer service, slim-lines, etc)? Out-sourcing? Network and frequency changes? Award availability? Upgrades? The list goes on....
Open-ended phone calls can be a big help here. You can be sure the targets (customers) are selected from very carefully chosen criteria. It is interesting that the one report we have heard is from a 1K.
I mentioned this about a year ago, but one of the challenges United must be facing is to decipher the impact of all their various changes are having on customer intent. If they are seeing trouble, it is now tough to figure out why.
Is it PQD? Changes to RDM earnings? Operations (broken down into many different categories...on-time, customer service, slim-lines, etc)? Out-sourcing? Network and frequency changes? Award availability? Upgrades? The list goes on....
Open-ended phone calls can be a big help here. You can be sure the targets (customers) are selected from very carefully chosen criteria. It is interesting that the one report we have heard is from a 1K.
#26
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It is interesting that United has begun these types of calls. Personal phone calls are the most expensive method of gathering this type of data.
I mentioned this about a year ago, but one of the challenges United must be facing is to decipher the impact of all their various changes are having on customer intent. If they are seeing trouble, it is now tough to figure out why.
Is it PQD? Changes to RDM earnings? Operations (broken down into many different categories...on-time, customer service, slim-lines, etc)? Out-sourcing? Network and frequency changes? Award availability? Upgrades? The list goes on....
I mentioned this about a year ago, but one of the challenges United must be facing is to decipher the impact of all their various changes are having on customer intent. If they are seeing trouble, it is now tough to figure out why.
Is it PQD? Changes to RDM earnings? Operations (broken down into many different categories...on-time, customer service, slim-lines, etc)? Out-sourcing? Network and frequency changes? Award availability? Upgrades? The list goes on....
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#27
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Yes, this type of research methodology (live calls) has been going on for years. The anecdotal report from the OP points to a new, specific area of inquiry which I interpreted to be significant, and a likely source of perceived trouble for United.
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#28
Tough crowd. Surprised that some are hostile to the idea of a phone call from someone they do a fair amount of business with, asking why (unless they get something in return).
#29
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#30
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As always though with UA, it's a question of consistency - doing this regularly, or at least with more predictability, would probably produce more meaningful results. But who knows what goes on behind the aluminum curtain, maybe they consider a 1 in 1000 sample as statistically significant?