WSJ: United Sent Safety Warning to Pilots
#92
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No lack of training, difference of training, attitudes or changes lead to pilots not following cockpit management.
Anything other than the pilots accepting responsibility for their errors in this case is just silly. Grievances with management while real, have zero to do with this.
If the pilots are truly blaming management for the pilots losing focus, not following cockpit management guidelines and nearly crashing, then that is one scary future for United.
Pilots should pay more attention, and fight management all they want when they are not behind the controls
#93
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I think that's an overly simplistic black and white perspective...it sounds nice, and simple enough, but in practice, the culture drives performance, and if the culture is one of bottom line (which I've suspected it was ever since 2011 based on a handful of UAL pilots I've known for decades), mistakes happen.
#94
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WSJ: United Sent Safety Warning to Pilots
So in your thoughts the pilots aren't responsible for doing their jobs safely especially when it's pilot 101 items we are talking about. I'm all for blaming management for some things, but these are outside that scope
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I am so sick and tired of this management vs employee BS. These purported professionals are acting like children, and similar behavior seems to pervade a lot of industries. I have never seen this type of immature squabbling in my line of work, and I've had contact with scores of companies over the last 35 years.
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Captain Eric Popper, Chairman
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-popper/5/a96/739 - sUA
Pretty sure the other two are as well from various public data.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-popper/5/a96/739 - sUA
Pretty sure the other two are as well from various public data.
#98
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For some strange reason, I don't see this posted at FT. Yet it has been of the pilots public board, www.pprune.org since March 2. It appears to be the response to the United letter:
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Fraternally,
Eric, Carlos, and John
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Fraternally,
Eric, Carlos, and John
And, I want to publicly thank the brave, well trained, and conscientious sUA pilots who are standing up against this tyranny to protect the safety of those who fly with them.
I can barely fathom the stress and disappointment faced by top-notch aviation veterans being punished for doing their jobs properly and putting safety first. I have deep compassion and empathy for the suffering you must be experiencing under this regime.
#99
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These pilots are actually not taking ANY responsibility for their actions, and literally blaming a guy in an office a thousand miles away for their lack of paying attention to their surroundings... wow
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I think that's an overly simplistic black and white perspective...it sounds nice, and simple enough, but in practice, the culture drives performance, and if the culture is one of bottom line (which I've suspected it was ever since 2011 based on a handful of UAL pilots I've known for decades), mistakes happen.
Just saying pilots aren't paying attention and putting all the blame on this is short sighted. When that plane crashed at SFO, you wouldn't put all the blame on the pilot. The core cause flows back to the way the company is being run and management is in charge of that.
Are the specific incidents posted anywhere? I'd be interesting in finding out the details.