DCA-HKG via EWR or ORD?
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Average lateness of SFO is 48:13.
Average lateness of EWR is 55:07
Average lateness of ORD is 1:10:03
Each flight is once per day, so total number of flights for each route should be virtually identical. And the frequency of flights delayed is very close (32 to 35%). But among those flights that are delayed, ORD tends to have materially longer delays.
But I am not a stats person so perhaps this is all wrong.
Average lateness of SFO is 48:13.
Average lateness of EWR is 55:07
Average lateness of ORD is 1:10:03
Each flight is once per day, so total number of flights for each route should be virtually identical. And the frequency of flights delayed is very close (32 to 35%). But among those flights that are delayed, ORD tends to have materially longer delays.
But I am not a stats person so perhaps this is all wrong.
It's also an odd comparison to make because there's some sort of bell curve distribution of flights in terms of on-time-ness. But the stats are looking only at the section of the bell curve where it's >14 minutes late, and then taking an average of those times.
That all said, if the distribution of on-time-ness is something close to normal, then your inference is reasonable - late flights from ORD tend to be more late than those from EWR.
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EWR Absolutely!
I've done both and would absolutely vote for EWR. First, it is a much more comfortable ride in business class. I don't like the 2-4-2 configuration from ORD. Second, if something happens on the return flight, it is much better to go to EWR. You can take AMTRAK home. I've been stuck in both places. In Chicago, I had to overnight at the airport. When I was in EWR and the plane home was cancelled due to weather, I took AMTRAK, which United paid for. I actually beat the time the plane was originally supposed to land. So there's no question that I would take the EWR choice.
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I've done both and would absolutely vote for EWR. First, it is a much more comfortable ride in business class. I don't like the 2-4-2 configuration from ORD. Second, if something happens on the return flight, it is much better to go to EWR. You can take AMTRAK home. I've been stuck in both places. In Chicago, I had to overnight at the airport. When I was in EWR and the plane home was cancelled due to weather, I took AMTRAK, which United paid for. I actually beat the time the plane was originally supposed to land. So there's no question that I would take the EWR choice.
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Re: Amtrak
Definitely different options with ORD or EWR for this routing. I've also been reticketed on Amtrak to get to Union Station due to mass UX cancellations due to snow. Also, I've taken the train to/fro EWR once before.
Only thing I would add is Amtrak isn't immune to IRROPs of course. Last summer I took an Acela up to Philly from Union Station and due to signal problems, the 2 hour ride turned into a 6.5 hour ride. My own out of thin air assessment on reliability (i.e. on-time to not that late) is 75% UX, 90% Amtrak.
Re: LH SEN Lounge in B
Will same day boarding pass for Term C (or Term A for that matter) get you access through TSA? Alternatively, I'm also remembering that the inter-term bus shuttle announced a stop at B last time i was on it.
Definitely different options with ORD or EWR for this routing. I've also been reticketed on Amtrak to get to Union Station due to mass UX cancellations due to snow. Also, I've taken the train to/fro EWR once before.
Only thing I would add is Amtrak isn't immune to IRROPs of course. Last summer I took an Acela up to Philly from Union Station and due to signal problems, the 2 hour ride turned into a 6.5 hour ride. My own out of thin air assessment on reliability (i.e. on-time to not that late) is 75% UX, 90% Amtrak.
Re: LH SEN Lounge in B
Will same day boarding pass for Term C (or Term A for that matter) get you access through TSA? Alternatively, I'm also remembering that the inter-term bus shuttle announced a stop at B last time i was on it.
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And those aren't the worst .... the TSA line agents at TermC won't even let you use C1/C2/C3 checkpoint unless your gate is there, regardless of how empty the line is.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned up stream, but I also like the EWR flight as it's much more natural to sleep. It leaves later in the day and typically flies "right" of the pole, northeast over Greenland and Svalbard (as today). Thus you usually get several hours of darkness, which is much more inviting for sleep than the all-daylight NW-bound flights out of ORD and SFO.
In addition, I would always prefer 2-2-2 over 2-4-2 with half seats backwards. I like the window seat on the nonsunny side, which is L (most of the flight, most of the year). Bulkhead gives a bit more foot and storage room, but no biggie if you're elsewhere. Storage is still miles ahead of pmUA.
In addition, I would always prefer 2-2-2 over 2-4-2 with half seats backwards. I like the window seat on the nonsunny side, which is L (most of the flight, most of the year). Bulkhead gives a bit more foot and storage room, but no biggie if you're elsewhere. Storage is still miles ahead of pmUA.
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There's also SK across the hall but that's not as interesting