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Discussion about the end of CLD-LAX service may be found here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1630733-united-express-carrier-skywest-end-cld-lax-service-may-2015-a.html
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
they are just schedule 'placeholders'. as the schedule is updated you will see the E120s subbed by CR2s. same phenomenon on SMF-SFO, but the E120s left the route in February...yet they still show as the schedule placeholders into 2016.
Yea, the schedule shows 1057 EM2 flights this month, 125 next month, and 0 in June. After that there are 2-5k/mo, as placeholders until they decide what to do.

This is a consistent timeframe with UA's use of 738/320 in distant schedules, and deciding 737/738/739 and 319/320 a couple months out.
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
so let me get this straight, they killed SFO-CEC prior to the 4/17 mandate supplied by the DOT? what type of fine are they looking at for that 'oversight'?
Also consider that they are also (speculative of course) not meeting the extended mandate here: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...1997-2649-0061
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
so let me get this straight, they killed SFO-CEC prior to the 4/17 mandate supplied by the DOT? what type of fine are they looking at for that 'oversight'?
I've never seen it happen before (granted I don't pay a ton of attention to EAS), but I know the only real recourse is a lawsuit. EAS mostly operates like a contract, with the government paying money to subsidize the service. However, it's a little different from a standard contract in that the DOT (and the DOT alone) can extend the term of the contract unilaterally while they work to replace a carrier that wants out (a la OO). Therefore any violation of this would look more like a breach-of-contract case than a simple case of regulation.

Now, if the DOT were to be allowed to make EAS-compliance a condition of the various other things they license I'm sure it would be a different story.

ETA: a cursory googling seems to indicate the DOT sued NW and its regional carries back in 1998 over the discontinuation of 13 EAS routes... most links were paywalled however, so I quickly lost interest in what actually happened.
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by wto605
I've never seen it happen before (granted I don't pay a ton of attention to EAS), but I know the only real recourse is a lawsuit. EAS mostly operates like a contract, with the government paying money to subsidize the service. However, it's a little different from a standard contract in that the DOT (and the DOT alone) can extend the term of the contract unilaterally while they work to replace a carrier that wants out (a la OO). Therefore any violation of this would look more like a breach-of-contract case than a simple case of regulation.
It actually happens with some regularity and the DOT does little to the offending carriers. If the DOT sued each time a carrier were forced to operate a money-losing EAS route no one would bid on them.
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Old Apr 24, 2015, 12:47 am
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The last EM120 flown for UAX operates on 5th May, 2015. After that there will be no route with an EM120 flying. Anything else is just a placeholder in the schedule.
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Old Apr 27, 2015, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by UAinAUS
The last EM120 flown for UAX operates on 5th May, 2015. After that there will be no route with an EM120 flying. Anything else is just a placeholder in the schedule.
Thank you for that info! ^

I also learned that in SAN, the commuter terminal operations will move over to Terminal 2 this summer, which will be nice. I am watching that many of the placeholder flights you referrenced are still in the system for the later part of the summer and beyond. For that reason, it seems to be holding up award space too.
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Old Apr 28, 2015, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by UAinAUS
The last EM120 flown for UAX operates on 5th May, 2015. After that there will be no route with an EM120 flying. Anything else is just a placeholder in the schedule.
which route will the final flight be on?
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Old Apr 28, 2015, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
which route will the final flight be on?
SMX-LAX unless SAN-LAX gets delayed.

Here's all the 5/5 services:

Code:
 flight | orig | dest | equip | departs  | arrives  |    from    |     to     |  days   
--------+------+------+-------+----------+----------+------------+------------+---------
 UA6457 | SMX  | LAX  | EM2   | 06:00:00 | 07:05:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA6291 | FAT  | SFO  | EM2   | 07:00:00 | 08:00:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA6322 | LAX  | SAN  | EM2   | 07:35:00 | 08:33:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFS 
 UA6442 | PSP  | LAX  | EM2   | 08:20:00 | 09:14:00 | 2015-05-04 | 2015-05-05 | MT     
 UA5613 | SFO  | BFL  | EM2   | 08:40:00 | 10:06:00 | 2015-04-27 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF  
 UA6444 | SAN  | LAX  | EM2   | 09:00:00 | 09:55:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFS 
 UA5637 | BFL  | SFO  | EM2   | 10:31:00 | 12:01:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA6444 | LAX  | SMX  | EM2   | 10:35:00 | 11:35:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFS 
 UA5263 | SMX  | LAX  | EM2   | 12:00:00 | 13:05:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA5197 | SFO  | FAT  | EM2   | 12:40:00 | 13:47:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF U
 UA6335 | LAX  | SAN  | EM2   | 12:50:00 | 13:47:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF U
 UA6330 | LAX  | FAT  | EM2   | 13:36:00 | 14:51:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA5516 | FAT  | LAX  | EM2   | 14:12:00 | 15:27:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA4982 | SAN  | LAX  | EM2   | 14:12:00 | 15:05:00 | 2015-04-15 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF U
 UA5505 | FAT  | SFO  | EM2   | 15:16:00 | 16:15:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA6302 | LAX  | PSP  | EM2   | 15:39:00 | 16:35:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF U
 UA6338 | LAX  | SAN  | EM2   | 15:57:00 | 16:54:00 | 2015-04-16 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF U
 UA5625 | SFO  | BFL  | EM2   | 16:49:00 | 18:08:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA5618 | PSP  | LAX  | EM2   | 17:00:00 | 17:54:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF U
 UA6462 | SAN  | LAX  | EM2   | 17:19:00 | 18:10:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF  
 UA5549 | BFL  | SFO  | EM2   | 18:33:00 | 19:58:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA6341 | LAX  | SAN  | EM2   | 18:56:00 | 19:53:00 | 2015-04-28 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF  
 UA6451 | LAX  | SMX  | EM2   | 19:02:00 | 19:59:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRFSU
 UA6342 | SAN  | LAX  | EM2   | 20:18:00 | 21:15:00 | 2015-04-07 | 2015-05-05 | MTWRF  
 UA5165 | SMX  | LAX  | EM2   | 20:25:00 | 21:27:00 | 2015-05-05 | 2015-05-05 |  T
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Old May 2, 2015, 4:40 am
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United/Skywest EMB-120 farewell
I thought I'd get this rolling as in the next few days I believe a familiar and iconic sight will disappear from American skies with the retirement of Skywest's final Embraer Brasilia after decades of reliable service. I watched the video that has surfaced of the final flight out of Carlsbad, CA. Does anybody have any idea when the very last service is ? It really will be a sad, sad day. It's just a shame they didn't invest in another prop like brand new ATR 42s so they could continue to service numerous markets not to mention keeping up frequencies on routes into FAT, SAN etc.
Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; May 2, 2015 at 5:05 am Reason: moved into existing thread; the answer to your question is in the post above
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Old May 2, 2015, 7:50 am
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Last flight is UA5165 SMX to LAX on May 5th. Most routes have already switched to CR2s or CR7s.
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Old May 2, 2015, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by UAinAUS
Last flight is UA5165 SMX to LAX on May 5th. Most routes have already switched to CR2s or CR7s.

And so the little EM2 legend ends... so sad. I'll really miss these birds.
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Old May 2, 2015, 6:46 pm
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Originally Posted by UAinAUS
Last flight is UA5165 SMX to LAX on May 5th. Most routes have already switched to CR2s or CR7s.
Almost tempting enough to burn a 10k award, except that my work week is already overstuffed
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Old May 3, 2015, 1:41 pm
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Sitting in UC at SFO watching N291SW get pushed back for UA5197. Currently shown as not in service on fleet site but I suppose it's done soon. Took maybe my last shot of an EM120.
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Old May 3, 2015, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by atword
Sitting in UC at SFO watching N291SW get pushed back for UA5197. Currently shown as not in service on fleet site but I suppose it's done soon. Took maybe my last shot of an EM120.
Sorry that was my fault it was listed as removed from service a little early. What you saw, UA5197, was that birds last revenue flight.
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Old May 3, 2015, 5:32 pm
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Where are the EMB's going to? Are they being scrapped, or do they have a buyer?
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