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Old Sep 6, 2014, 7:15 am
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Question United now blocking Brussels (SN) Award space?

I see SN space JFK-BRU-JFK I'm looking to book...yet a UA agent says she can't see it. Wondering if it's because it no longer displays on UAL.com. Anyone else come across this issue before? And have any tips how to communicate it?

EDIT: I mentioned to the agent that she should look at doing a "long sell"...she went to talk w/a supe and came back shocked..."I got it!"

As long as you have other tools to search SN space, it's a nice hidden award gem now that it apparently can't even be seen by agents, let alone booked on the web site

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Old Sep 6, 2014, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
I see SN space JFK-BRU-JFK I'm looking to book...yet a UA agent says she can't see it. Wondering if it's because it no longer displays on UAL.com. Anyone else come across this issue before? And have any tips how to communicate it?

EDIT: I mentioned to the agent that she should look at doing a "long sell"...she went to talk w/a supe and came back shocked..."I got it!"
Wow, glad to hear that that works.

Maybe we need a thread tracking carriers that don't currently list all inventory on the UA Web site but are bookable for awards. I think it includes SQ, LO, SN. Might also include 9W?
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 9:03 am
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Where did you see the inventory? In general, just because it's available in one place doesn't means it's available to partners.
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Where did you see the inventory? In general, just because it's available in one place doesn't means it's available to partners.
KVS tool, which can pull from many sites.

This is UA just choosing to not "see" it.
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This is UA just choosing to not "see" it.
Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence.
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence.
UA has shown plenty of malice, so I find it a combination of the two
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 1:27 pm
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I thought long sells were no longer done/allowed?
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 1:36 pm
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What is a "long sell"?

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I thought long sells were no longer done/allowed?
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by malgudi
What is a "long sell"?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-can-help.html
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by luv2ctheworld
I thought long sells were no longer done/allowed?
Maybe a long (or manual) sell wasn't done, no idea. Maybe they just used some magic technique to see the SN space other Star carriers see
Annoying but not surprising.
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
KVS tool, which can pull from many sites.

This is UA just choosing to not "see" it.
Doesn't KVS show M&M availability for LH-group, which can be different than *A partner availability?
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Old Sep 6, 2014, 5:04 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell
Doesn't KVS show M&M availability for LH-group, which can be different than *A partner availability?
It does, but I was pulling mine right from NH which is generally seen as pretty "true".
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Old Sep 7, 2014, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by mduell
Doesn't KVS show M&M availability for LH-group, which can be different than *A partner availability?
Actually, the KVS Tool supports both Partner *A Award Availability, as well as the Enhanced Award Availability for M&M Members:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#SN
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Old Sep 7, 2014, 11:52 am
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I bet the agent just wasn't looking in the right place. I have had no problem booking SN space over the phone and it certainly is the go-to space (along with LOT and COPA) since .bomb does not display it.

If it is on ANA, you can book it.

Here is where there is a problem with SN space (that I have not seen with other Star carriers) - married segments.

For example, JFK-BRU-VCE may have two seats in I, but JFK-BRU has zero in I. If that is the case, forget about the award...UA cannot book it (or at least I have been unable to get UA to book it).
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Old Sep 7, 2014, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell
Doesn't KVS show M&M availability for LH-group, which can be different than *A partner availability?
Actually, all KVS does is screen scrape from airline websites such as ANA. You can get the data for free directly or via other services that have a free version such as AwardNexus.com
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