UA CFO Rainey on Bloomberg: Global First "Effectively the Same" as J
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There's no point in defending Global F. It is as good as dead. BF is the new F, and there's no point in arguing it when you are not flying on OPM. I cannot even defend the cost of BF from a personal expense standpoint. Seriously--- $5-7K for an international flight versus a new 80 inch 4K widescreen and still get there in Y?
Best value in the air is a Y ticket to Asia--- $1000 plus or minus a few hundred. I wish my employer would pay me 1/2 the difference between Y and C. 8 trips a year and I'd be driving a nice old Porsche on weekend!
Best value in the air is a Y ticket to Asia--- $1000 plus or minus a few hundred. I wish my employer would pay me 1/2 the difference between Y and C. 8 trips a year and I'd be driving a nice old Porsche on weekend!
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If it is important to you, plan on flying another airline.
On edit - my speculation only.
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Since this is a thread about Rainman, and not about 'everyone-hates-GF-but-people-who-don't', more on-topic: Rainey is almost directly responsible for this management's squandering of UA's revenue premium. Enough said.
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It's not appropriate to call all UA C "BusinessFirst" because all C seats are not created equal.
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I actually choose the window or middle of the 2-4-2 config as my goal is to not be disturbed on long haul. It's a win for me, and I suspect more J availability trumps " people looking at me" for most
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I have not noticed any announcements about UA removing Global First from their current Intl long-haul 3-class fleet....but maybe I am mistaken?
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Sorry - pure speculation on my part. Should be labelled as such, because that is rare on FT.
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I have not noticed any announcements about UA removing Global First from their current Intl long-haul 3-class fleet....but maybe I am mistaken?
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All you have to do is stand between GF and UA 2-4-2 business class on a 777 and there is a huge difference. When you look back from GF and see four men in the 4 across - it looks like 4 men in a king sized bed. UA GF is a decent seat - although not as good as some other international carriers.
The BF product, from CO, is good, but the density only gives you a small cubby hole for your feet. Again - not similar to GF.
What Rainey should be saying is that UA does not have the demand to justify a separate First product, but that UA is planning to introduce a new business class with all seats having aisle access (similar to AA's new J products).
The BF product, from CO, is good, but the density only gives you a small cubby hole for your feet. Again - not similar to GF.
What Rainey should be saying is that UA does not have the demand to justify a separate First product, but that UA is planning to introduce a new business class with all seats having aisle access (similar to AA's new J products).
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The 3-cabin 763s are getting GF removed and reconfigured like the current 2-cabin 763s. The last aircraft to have GF will be some of the 3-cabin 777s and those aircraft will retain GF until those aircraft are retired.
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None of the 787s will be installed with GF and all internal workings point to no GF on the A350s either.
The 3-cabin 763s are getting GF removed and reconfigured like the current 2-cabin 763s. The last aircraft to have GF will be some of the 3-cabin 777s and those aircraft will retain GF until those aircraft are retired.
The 3-cabin 763s are getting GF removed and reconfigured like the current 2-cabin 763s. The last aircraft to have GF will be some of the 3-cabin 777s and those aircraft will retain GF until those aircraft are retired.
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Boeing is rumored to be announcing a PIP for the 77W in March (with 2-3% efficiency improvements over the existing model), which would be a logical time to announce a UA order. If that announcement comes and goes without mention of a UA order, then it's safe to say the rumor is probably just that.
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according to the "who pays for GF" thread, there are people who have sufficient disposable income that they are apparently happy to burn it on GF.
Adding in 2-3 J seats in place of 1 GF coffin is a clear revenue win for the airline, and just dump the PAX who will fly someone else GF