Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 am
Last edit by: Bitterroot
Updates to Wiki as of 20 January 2014
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
[Confirmed] SYD going UA 3 Cabin 777 in 2014 [and other 747 route changes]
Aug 17, 2013, 2:04 pm
#331
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What's the difference in cargo capacity of 777 vs 747? Always thought they kept the 747 on this route for the extra cargo capacity which is where they make the real money.
Aug 17, 2013, 2:10 pm
#332
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http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...0er_prod.page?
747-400ER
Cargo: 5,599 cu ft (158.6 cu m) or 4,837 cu ft (137 cu m)*
* These volumes are reduced relative to the 747-400 due to the addition of one body fuel tank, basic on the -400ER, in the forward lower cargo hold.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...00product.page
777-200
Cargo: Total volume 5,330 cu ft (151 cu m).
Aug 17, 2013, 2:13 pm
#333
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Seems about the same:
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...0er_prod.page?
747-400ER
Cargo: 5,599 cu ft (158.6 cu m) or 4,837 cu ft (137 cu m)*
* These volumes are reduced relative to the 747-400 due to the addition of one body fuel tank, basic on the -400ER, in the forward lower cargo hold.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...00product.page
777-200
Cargo: Total volume 5,330 cu ft (151 cu m).
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...0er_prod.page?
747-400ER
Cargo: 5,599 cu ft (158.6 cu m) or 4,837 cu ft (137 cu m)*
* These volumes are reduced relative to the 747-400 due to the addition of one body fuel tank, basic on the -400ER, in the forward lower cargo hold.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...00product.page
777-200
Cargo: Total volume 5,330 cu ft (151 cu m).
Aug 17, 2013, 2:49 pm
#334
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York, NY
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EWR-HKG run 8060mi, 15:50. even in BF it felt long as heck, i'd imagine economy was painful. also if i remember right, SQ used to run a non-stop SIN-JFK which sounds like a crazy long flight.
i'm actually kind of bummed that they're going with the 777 to SYD. i do like the 777 as a plane, but the inner child in me was really hoping that they would replace the 744's with 748's. economics, load, etc. i get it, but i still think it would have been cooler to use the 748. big planes might not make economic sense, but i think they're more fun. it actually makes me sad in general to see the low adoption rate that plane is getting overall.
Aug 17, 2013, 3:26 pm
#336
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Posts: 5,814
LAX-SYD actually isn't that far. clocks in at 7,487. i actually remember in inception they were talking about where to plan their heist, and they said LA to sydney was the longest flight in the world. i had recently flown EWR-HKG when i first saw that movie and thought, "i could have sworn it was longer..."
EWR-HKG run 8060mi, 15:50. even in BF it felt long as heck, i'd imagine economy was painful. also if i remember right, SQ used to run a non-stop SIN-JFK which sounds like a crazy long flight.
i'm actually kind of bummed that they're going with the 777 to SYD. i do like the 777 as a plane, but the inner child in me was really hoping that they would replace the 744's with 748's. economics, load, etc. i get it, but i still think it would have been cooler to use the 748. big planes might not make economic sense, but i think they're more fun. it actually makes me sad in general to see the low adoption rate that plane is getting overall.
EWR-HKG run 8060mi, 15:50. even in BF it felt long as heck, i'd imagine economy was painful. also if i remember right, SQ used to run a non-stop SIN-JFK which sounds like a crazy long flight.
i'm actually kind of bummed that they're going with the 777 to SYD. i do like the 777 as a plane, but the inner child in me was really hoping that they would replace the 744's with 748's. economics, load, etc. i get it, but i still think it would have been cooler to use the 748. big planes might not make economic sense, but i think they're more fun. it actually makes me sad in general to see the low adoption rate that plane is getting overall.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...light/1653833/
Clocks in at 9,525 miles (8,277 nautical miles). I believe it is still running actually. The stop date appears to be November 24, 2013.
Aug 17, 2013, 3:30 pm
#338
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Aug 17, 2013, 3:43 pm
#340
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 133
Apparently UA feels that the extra seats are needed.
Aug 17, 2013, 4:17 pm
#341
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LAX-SYD barely cracks the top 30 for longest scheduled non-stop flights. Longer UA routes are EWR-HKG, EWR-BOM, and ORD-HKG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-sto...ongest_flights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-sto...ongest_flights
Aug 17, 2013, 4:29 pm
#342
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Location: San Francisco, CA
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How many 747s are returning to ORD?
UA 835 departing ORD at 10:55 for PVG
UA 881 departing ORD at 13:20 for NRT
UA 907 departing ORD at 18:25 for FRA
UA 882 from NRT, arriving ORD at 14:30
UA 906 from FRA, arriving ORD at 14:55
UA 836 from PVG, arriving ORD at 16:05
Looks like only UA 907 can use the plane coming back from FRA on the same day. UA 835 and 881 are not able to wait for planes from NRT or PVG. Can I say on a single day, we will see 5 individual 747s in and out of ORD?
How many 747s does United need to operate these 3 routes?
Aug 17, 2013, 4:37 pm
#343
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: EWR
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Posts: 223
Is EWR capable of 744's?
Would UA ever place a 744 on any route out of EWR?
EWR has seen some nice upgrades in the EWR-FRA market recently with a sUA 772! Wonder how long that will stick, as it seems to switch back to a 764 and then to a 763 and then back to a 772 in early spring.
Also when was the last time ORD-FRA saw the 744?
EWR has seen some nice upgrades in the EWR-FRA market recently with a sUA 772! Wonder how long that will stick, as it seems to switch back to a 764 and then to a 763 and then back to a 772 in early spring.
Also when was the last time ORD-FRA saw the 744?
Aug 17, 2013, 7:40 pm
#344
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Would UA ever place a 744 on any route out of EWR?
EWR has seen some nice upgrades in the EWR-FRA market recently with a sUA 772! Wonder how long that will stick, as it seems to switch back to a 764 and then to a 763 and then back to a 772 in early spring.
Also when was the last time ORD-FRA saw the 744?
EWR has seen some nice upgrades in the EWR-FRA market recently with a sUA 772! Wonder how long that will stick, as it seems to switch back to a 764 and then to a 763 and then back to a 772 in early spring.
Also when was the last time ORD-FRA saw the 744?
ORD-LHR was also a 744 back in the Summer of 2012.
Thanks for the advice
But since it has been confirmed that they are using a sUA 777, your recommendation is better suited for the person that had issues with a sUA 777: colpuck.
Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; Aug 17, 2013 at 7:56 pm Reason: multi-quote should be used
Aug 17, 2013, 7:52 pm
#345
Join Date: Jun 2013
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Well look like PVG won't see any 772s next year.
Last edited by deltaflyer08; Aug 17, 2013 at 8:03 pm