How does UA expect to compete with 2-4-2 Business Class configurations for 777s?
Oct 20, 2014, 9:17 pm
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sCO 772 50 BF
sUA 772 40 BF
sCO 764 39 BF
sUA 763 26 BF
I am no fan of the sCO seat, but the numbers are what they are.
Oct 20, 2014, 9:20 pm
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Well I do not know what they are doing.. But tonight's LAX-SYD-MEL is booked at capacity all revenue.. 35 are checked in at the moment and since I am #1 on UG list I am hoping some one gets stuck in traffic (sorry...)
Now Work was going to put me in BF for this trip but UA wanted 10K return (ex ORD) so I got told to go coach or don't go..
So say what you will.. First law of economics: The price is the price people are willing to pay not the value of the product.
Tonight is going to be a good revenue night for UA on UA839 (GF is also full.. Y is at ~80% load judging by seat map)
Now Work was going to put me in BF for this trip but UA wanted 10K return (ex ORD) so I got told to go coach or don't go..
So say what you will.. First law of economics: The price is the price people are willing to pay not the value of the product.
Tonight is going to be a good revenue night for UA on UA839 (GF is also full.. Y is at ~80% load judging by seat map)
Oct 20, 2014, 11:02 pm
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Oct 20, 2014, 11:49 pm
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Remove Int'l F from sUA 777 and add 16 (UA style) C seats, you get 56.
I believe that the 764 is a bigger plane than the 763.
Oct 20, 2014, 11:54 pm
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They are apples to apples when the issue is number of BF seats available for upgrade; the post I was responding to was complaining that the sCO aircraft have fewer BF seats than their sUA counterparts. The fact is they have more.
Otherwise, I agree, the cabins are not directly comparable.
Otherwise, I agree, the cabins are not directly comparable.
Oct 21, 2014, 12:52 am
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They are apples to apples when the issue is number of BF seats available for upgrade; the post I was responding to was complaining that the sCO aircraft have fewer BF seats than their sUA counterparts. The fact is they have more.
Otherwise, I agree, the cabins are not directly comparable.
Otherwise, I agree, the cabins are not directly comparable.
In terms of seat only, I find the BA and PmUA my two favorites and very comfortable. Best sleeping I've had and no need for weeks of chiro adjustment after getting back from Asia.
Given BA was out first, I think UAs main error was being stuck in the mindset all the seats had to face in one direction in conventional rows vs the BA staggered approach, or the AC angled stagger that came out soon after UA...although I would not fly that AC seat again as it's not comfortable for an Asia trip
The BA is still 8 across, but the layout means you get that tray under your neighbors seat which is perfect for gadgets and glasses...the front/back thing is a bit weird the first time. The middle 4 have at least the illusion of more shoulder room, but not sure as never sat there.
even on Austrian, they in essence have a 4 seat center on the 767, albeit very subtle the way the seats are offset facing forward (I.e., seat is about same width as ua or BA and I may be only one, but didn't find them as comfortable despite the increased personal around the seat space
Given BA was out first, I think UAs main error was being stuck in the mindset all the seats had to face in one direction in conventional rows vs the BA staggered approach, or the AC angled stagger that came out soon after UA...although I would not fly that AC seat again as it's not comfortable for an Asia trip
The BA is still 8 across, but the layout means you get that tray under your neighbors seat which is perfect for gadgets and glasses...the front/back thing is a bit weird the first time. The middle 4 have at least the illusion of more shoulder room, but not sure as never sat there.
even on Austrian, they in essence have a 4 seat center on the 767, albeit very subtle the way the seats are offset facing forward (I.e., seat is about same width as ua or BA and I may be only one, but didn't find them as comfortable despite the increased personal around the seat space
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Oct 21, 2014, 4:00 am
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I do transpac RT about 15 times a year, and IMHO, neither are perfect, but I give the edge to PMCO seats for its width, more aisle seats and space for personal items.
I ignore PMUA 777 and 747 Lower deck as much as my schedule would allow. I am a loyal PMUA flyer, and would defend PMUA as much as many die-hards in this forum, but I cannot defend PMUA C configuration other than the upper deck of 744.
I ignore PMUA 777 and 747 Lower deck as much as my schedule would allow. I am a loyal PMUA flyer, and would defend PMUA as much as many die-hards in this forum, but I cannot defend PMUA C configuration other than the upper deck of 744.
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Oct 21, 2014, 6:55 am
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Well I do not know what they are doing.. But tonight's LAX-SYD-MEL is booked at capacity all revenue.. 35 are checked in at the moment and since I am #1 on UG list I am hoping some one gets stuck in traffic (sorry...)
Now Work was going to put me in BF for this trip but UA wanted 10K return (ex ORD) so I got told to go coach or don't go..
So say what you will.. First law of economics: The price is the price people are willing to pay not the value of the product.
Tonight is going to be a good revenue night for UA on UA839 (GF is also full.. Y is at ~80% load judging by seat map)
Now Work was going to put me in BF for this trip but UA wanted 10K return (ex ORD) so I got told to go coach or don't go..
So say what you will.. First law of economics: The price is the price people are willing to pay not the value of the product.
Tonight is going to be a good revenue night for UA on UA839 (GF is also full.. Y is at ~80% load judging by seat map)
Case in point: coming back from SIN. United was $1000 more for the trip than TK, and was priced out for me. A few options were even cheaper, but TK worked best. So, I will give TK a spin. The only thing less good is that their seat is not 180 degrees flat, just 159 (still beats Y though). But then I get to stop in IST and see some of the city.
They may also beat United on food (other C I had the chance to take - BA, SQ, OZ, CA, AF - they all did better than United there). I don't know.
How they can sell at that price baffles me a bit when these alternatives are known.
Oct 21, 2014, 6:58 am
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Oh, I may add that despite having my MP number on file, TK sent me an email to sell me on Miles & Smiles.
Given my travel patterns, that won't work, but that certainly made me smile.
Given my travel patterns, that won't work, but that certainly made me smile.
Oct 21, 2014, 7:19 am
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Oops just now realized you most likely were referring to the 3-cabin 763 and not the 2-cabin one.
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Oct 23, 2014, 1:36 pm
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I do transpac RT about 15 times a year, and IMHO, neither are perfect, but I give the edge to PMCO seats for its width, more aisle seats and space for personal items.
I ignore PMUA 777 and 747 Lower deck as much as my schedule would allow. I am a loyal PMUA flyer, and would defend PMUA as much as many die-hards in this forum, but I cannot defend PMUA C configuration other than the upper deck of 744.
I ignore PMUA 777 and 747 Lower deck as much as my schedule would allow. I am a loyal PMUA flyer, and would defend PMUA as much as many die-hards in this forum, but I cannot defend PMUA C configuration other than the upper deck of 744.
on the 777, 6B is the best J seat.... even though the window passenger will have to climb over a couple times and wake me up.
The AA 1-2-1 config is far superior for J ... just like UA int'l F but not quite as spacious.
There is something to be said for having aisle access without the possibility of another passenger having to climb over to get out. I would find a way to fly GF, unless I could get J on PMCO 2-1-2 config when I get a seat in that middle column.
Nov 10, 2014, 12:21 pm
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on the 777, 6B is the best J seat.... even though the window passenger will have to climb over a couple times and wake me up.
The AA 1-2-1 config is far superior for J ... just like UA int'l F but not quite as spacious.
There is something to be said for having aisle access without the possibility of another passenger having to climb over to get out. I would find a way to fly GF, unless I could get J on PMCO 2-1-2 config when I get a seat in that middle column.
on the 777, 6B is the best J seat.... even though the window passenger will have to climb over a couple times and wake me up.
The AA 1-2-1 config is far superior for J ... just like UA int'l F but not quite as spacious.
There is something to be said for having aisle access without the possibility of another passenger having to climb over to get out. I would find a way to fly GF, unless I could get J on PMCO 2-1-2 config when I get a seat in that middle column.
I guess it was my own fault for actually wanting to sleep during the 14-hour flight.UAL and B/E looked into such a configuration, but it was patented by BA as their own proprietary setup. I heard there was a similar configuration wherein all the 777/747 would be 2-4-2, with the center section having forward/forward/reverse/reverse, but it was tossed away early because it was cost (lack of commonality in the base unit) and space prohibitive.
I would like to know how AA and other airlines can "afford" to give their business class seats direct aisle access.
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Nov 10, 2014, 2:15 pm
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I believe quite a few airlines have international business class seats with direct aisle access including DL, CX, LX, AA, VS and even BA (sort of). Now UA needs to consider the competition and see if they can "afford" not to have planes with direct aisle access for business class passengers.