AAerSTL

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...031500642.html

I wonder how much additional flying will be outsourced to regionals. As it is, seems most domestic flights at IAD/ORD are Express with mainline flying few and far between.

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I had heard that mainline pilots will be flying 90 or 100 seaters in this new contract.

AAerSTL

Still leaves a lot of potential ~70 seaters for the regionals.

Maybe FAB or aluminumdriver can enlighten us on the contract their union championed.

CAL PHL FLYER

That would be nice to see some type of E190 or similar type aircraft as UA mainline.

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freshairborne

Not necessarily. It provides for the possibility but there's nothing saying we'll ever get those planes.

FAB

freshairborne

I just got notification that this thing was approved by both CO and UA MECs. I'm on a very short layover (and nothing in the TA about fixing that) so I just did a quick look at the summary.

I have to say that it doesn't look good at all. Scope is weak, there are more givebacks than improvements, and the pay increases are an insult. I was an Airbus captain when we got the cuts in '03 and '04. The 'Bus took the largest % hit-48%. Now as a 757/767 captain, I'm seeing the smallest raise. Maybe since the 75s are going away and the 320/737 will be the same pay, I'll only loose seniority. Never thought I'd be looking kindly upon the lesser of two evils.

The scope is #1 for me even though I'll be gone before the effects are felt among the pilots, but I can't in good conscience vote in favor of it. Same with retirement, insurance, and work rules. Pay is also a slap in the face.

I'm going to try and keep an open mind though, and listen to our MEC try and pitch this, but I suspect I'll be watching them trying to put lipstick on a pig.

More to follow, I'm sure.

FAB

LASUA1K

This contract sounds awful for the pilots! Why would they give more?

mh3265a

There are absolutely no meaningful details in that article. Anyone have concrete details of what's in the proposed contract?

AAerSTL

That's smart, without scope you don't own the work so you could have otherwise great TA (pay, benefits, etc) but if the work isn't protected nothing really matters.

aacharya

I'd rather the pilots review and vote before we see leaks without the context. A draft agreement is irrelevent to the flying public.

clubord

No way this thing is passing. Time to short UA stock?

fastair

True, but had you stayed on the bus, the 320s and the 319s got the biggest raises. Because you moved up on equipment to a higher paying bird (basicly a voluntary promotion to equipent that paid more and tok a smaller relativecut) is why the discrapancy. Had you stayed on the equipment that took the biggest cut, you would be getting the biggest (relative, not absolute) raise. Instead you moved up to a different job that pad more and took a smaller relative cut.
The raises are rates based on metal currently bid by you to fly, not based on metal you flew on the effective date of your current (old) recessionary contract.

Noone can fault you for wanting to move up equipment, but in so doing, you moved to that equipment pay scale, not your previous equipment pay scale, which on this TA got a larger increase, in line with the larger cut it took.

AAerSTL

Looks like the concensus on APC is this will NOT pass:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...-overview.html

mh3265a

I'm not sure there is a strong consensus either way based off the totality of the comments in the pilots forum. I think the anti-agreement folks are more vocal and active in that forum too...