Publishing the Waitlist
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Publishing the Waitlist
Why does UA publish the waitlist names and positions after check-in but not before-hand. Why are the phone agents also so clandestine about telling you how long the waitlist is (and where you reside on the list)? Why not just publish the waitlist on a running basis and let customers see where they stand? Ultimately I end up calling, hoping I get an agent who can/will tell me where I stand when I would much prefer just watching online...
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Why does UA publish the waitlist names and positions after check-in but not before-hand. Why are the phone agents also so clandestine about telling you how long the waitlist is (and where you reside on the list)? Why not just publish the waitlist on a running basis and let customers see where they stand? Ultimately I end up calling, hoping I get an agent who can/will tell me where I stand when I would much prefer just watching online...
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The "published" one is the gate waitlist which includes CPU, YBM and GPU/RPU/miles folks -- that is not published until OLCI starts and you will not be shown until you check-in.
Then there is the "waitlist" used before the gate -- it is different for a couple of reasons, such as folks outside their elite window are not eligible yet. It is my understanding this list is not a prioritized waitlist, not sorted but a list of those eligible to be considered for upgrades. The system dynamic builds a list each time a sweep is done and then throws away the prioritized list. So there is no way for the phone agent to tell you your position - just that you are on the list.
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I don't think the phone agents can even authoritatively tell you that you're on the list. They can tell you you meet the criteria for upgrades (e.g., you're an Elite, you're on a revenue ticket, your Elite status shows, it looks good). But they can't tell you with certainty that EUA will see you at the next sweep.
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I don't think the phone agents can even authoritatively tell you that you're on the list. They can tell you you meet the criteria for upgrades (e.g., you're an Elite, you're on a revenue ticket, your Elite status shows, it looks good). But they can't tell you with certainty that EUA will see you at the next sweep.
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You forgot the fact that employees depending on their union contract can knock someone out with positive space and even some Non Revs can bump people + Air Marshalls. More than enough reasons to not publish a list until gate
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do GPUs/SWUs/Y-ups that are confirmed at the time of booking show in the "confirmed upgrades" list on .bomb/mobile/at the gate? it makes it hard to tell how many CPUs were actually issued for a given flight.
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I for one would like to see the waitlist for transparency sake. The quickest way to quell a conspiracy theory is to be honest and open.
For example, today I saw something happen with the waitlist for UA 976 IAD-DXB on Sept 15 that makes me uncomfortable.
As of Sept 12 - 777 new configuration(40 BF, 8 GF) - A3 F3 C3 D1 Z1
As of Sept 13 9am - 777 old configuration(49 BF, 12 GF) - flight status reported 4 GF and 39 BF seats sold
As of Sept 13 4pm - 777 old configuration - flight status reported 5 GF sold, 4 GF blocked and BF as full.
How did UA manage to fill/sell/upgrade 10 BF seats in a few hours? The BF waitlist for this flight is rarely longer than 5-6 people, sometimes 10. I'm a bit baffled as to how an 11 seats became 0 and I nor my companion got upgraded? We also got moved from an aisle and window to middle seats on the equipment change.
My reservation still lists the waitlist with the new seats. What could have happened? I'd feel much better if I could see the waitlist.
For example, today I saw something happen with the waitlist for UA 976 IAD-DXB on Sept 15 that makes me uncomfortable.
As of Sept 12 - 777 new configuration(40 BF, 8 GF) - A3 F3 C3 D1 Z1
As of Sept 13 9am - 777 old configuration(49 BF, 12 GF) - flight status reported 4 GF and 39 BF seats sold
As of Sept 13 4pm - 777 old configuration - flight status reported 5 GF sold, 4 GF blocked and BF as full.
How did UA manage to fill/sell/upgrade 10 BF seats in a few hours? The BF waitlist for this flight is rarely longer than 5-6 people, sometimes 10. I'm a bit baffled as to how an 11 seats became 0 and I nor my companion got upgraded? We also got moved from an aisle and window to middle seats on the equipment change.
My reservation still lists the waitlist with the new seats. What could have happened? I'd feel much better if I could see the waitlist.
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Ten replies so far, and no one has suggested the obvious: They don't want you knowing where you are on the list before you check in. If you "need" to be in a premium class, and knew you were at/near the top of the waitlist, would you pay for the seat instead? If you have no idea, you are more inclined to pay for it. It helps to sell F seats.
This is also proprietary info - if its open to you as a pax, its open to anyone, and I don't think UA would want their competitors looking at this data far in advance. This data, IMHO, will never be publicly available.
This is also proprietary info - if its open to you as a pax, its open to anyone, and I don't think UA would want their competitors looking at this data far in advance. This data, IMHO, will never be publicly available.
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Ten replies so far, and no one has suggested the obvious: They don't want you knowing where you are on the list before you check in. If you "need" to be in a premium class, and knew you were at/near the top of the waitlist, would you pay for the seat instead? If you have no idea, you are more inclined to pay for it. It helps to sell F seats.
This is also proprietary info - if its open to you as a pax, its open to anyone, and I don't think UA would want their competitors looking at this data far in advance. This data, IMHO, will never be publicly available.
This is also proprietary info - if its open to you as a pax, its open to anyone, and I don't think UA would want their competitors looking at this data far in advance. This data, IMHO, will never be publicly available.
plus in my experience as a gold, i never get upgraded anymore anyways, so looking at the list just makes me angry. case in point - tomorrow IAH-FLL, i'm 3rd on the list for 3 remaining seats and plenty of possible TODs yet to check in i'm sure.
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Ten replies so far, and no one has suggested the obvious: They don't want you knowing where you are on the list before you check in. If you "need" to be in a premium class, and knew you were at/near the top of the waitlist, would you pay for the seat instead? If you have no idea, you are more inclined to pay for it. It helps to sell F seats.
This is also proprietary info - if its open to you as a pax, its open to anyone, and I don't think UA would want their competitors looking at this data far in advance. This data, IMHO, will never be publicly available.
This is also proprietary info - if its open to you as a pax, its open to anyone, and I don't think UA would want their competitors looking at this data far in advance. This data, IMHO, will never be publicly available.
I don't think that they always have sinister intentions. They just have lousy technology.
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