ZRH-SFO F/J awards question
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ZRH-SFO F/J awards question
I have been scouting awards from ZRH to SFO for some time in anticipation of my award booking next week.
I have noticed that the ZRH-IAD-SFO is the most readily available and the last to go. That is understandable as the IAD-SFO is in a domestic F.
However, I am puzzled by why the ZRH-LHR-SFO award is next to last to go (after the FRA 777/747 awards) and fairly easy to find.
As far as I can tell the LHR to SFO in the 777-200 has new F and J seats, yet nobody seems to want those.
Anything I am not seeing here? Any insight would be appreciated.
TIA
I have noticed that the ZRH-IAD-SFO is the most readily available and the last to go. That is understandable as the IAD-SFO is in a domestic F.
However, I am puzzled by why the ZRH-LHR-SFO award is next to last to go (after the FRA 777/747 awards) and fairly easy to find.
As far as I can tell the LHR to SFO in the 777-200 has new F and J seats, yet nobody seems to want those.
Anything I am not seeing here? Any insight would be appreciated.
TIA
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SFO-LHR is 2 x daily and because LHR is not a hub, these flights are not perennially packed with connecting traffic like SFO-FRA for example. Often times this is the only award space available to Europe from SFO on UA when the flights to Chicago and Dulles are all zeroed out in the summer.
Keep in mind that they still do have an old config 777 in rotation on SFO-LHR so although the new config is pretty reliable, my last flight was showing old config until two days before departure.
Keep in mind that they still do have an old config 777 in rotation on SFO-LHR so although the new config is pretty reliable, my last flight was showing old config until two days before departure.
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Obviously, if you are flying from FRA itself, then it makes sense; but there are people connecting from other parts of Europe (like ZRH) that have the option to connect in FRA or LHR and it seems that the FRA flights go first.
aussieinsf partially answered the question.
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I have been scouting awards from ZRH to SFO for some time in anticipation of my award booking next week.
I have noticed that the ZRH-IAD-SFO is the most readily available and the last to go. That is understandable as the IAD-SFO is in a domestic F.
However, I am puzzled by why the ZRH-LHR-SFO award is next to last to go (after the FRA 777/747 awards) and fairly easy to find.
As far as I can tell the LHR to SFO in the 777-200 has new F and J seats, yet nobody seems to want those.
Anything I am not seeing here? Any insight would be appreciated.
TIA
I have noticed that the ZRH-IAD-SFO is the most readily available and the last to go. That is understandable as the IAD-SFO is in a domestic F.
However, I am puzzled by why the ZRH-LHR-SFO award is next to last to go (after the FRA 777/747 awards) and fairly easy to find.
As far as I can tell the LHR to SFO in the 777-200 has new F and J seats, yet nobody seems to want those.
Anything I am not seeing here? Any insight would be appreciated.
TIA
My last trip through LHR on VS, in 2003, was my last. Won't do that again! The solid 25 minute walk to the concourse was a real killer for me. Also, the amount of people at LHR feels like NYE in Times Square with the crowds. Just not my cup of tea.
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I have been watching award availability as well for SFO-ZRH flights for the future. I would never agree to go through LHR due to how large it is for walking since I have some mobility issues. Much prefer FRA if I have to connect. I flew AA last time (award gift from family in J) and connected at JFK. Not much walking and was very convenient but didn't like that it felt like I was taking 2 overseas flights in one day due to 3.5 hr delay at JFK. It was a very long trip as I prefer direct flights if at all possible.
My last trip through LHR on VS, in 2003, was my last. Won't do that again! The solid 25 minute walk to the concourse was a real killer for me. Also, the amount of people at LHR feels like NYE in Times Square with the crowds. Just not my cup of tea.
My last trip through LHR on VS, in 2003, was my last. Won't do that again! The solid 25 minute walk to the concourse was a real killer for me. Also, the amount of people at LHR feels like NYE in Times Square with the crowds. Just not my cup of tea.
I am not as much concerned about the walking part (though I understand your point of view) - I am more concerned about having a good F or J seat on that long flight.
Of course, if an LX J award ZRH-SFO would be more of a reality instead of just a dream, that would be best
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I certainly agree with you about not wanting to connect in IAD or JFK - I want the T/A long flight to be in one segment (be it from FRA or LHR).
I am not as much concerned about the walking part (though I understand your point of view) - I am more concerned about having a good F or J seat on that long flight.
Of course, if an LX J award ZRH-SFO would be more of a reality instead of just a dream, that would be best
I am not as much concerned about the walking part (though I understand your point of view) - I am more concerned about having a good F or J seat on that long flight.
Of course, if an LX J award ZRH-SFO would be more of a reality instead of just a dream, that would be best
In terms of the seat, F on the old 777 is still a suite, although not as nice as new F and the old F suites are pretty worn and beaten up. C is the big difference, with lie flat on new 777s and barcalounger/cradle seats on the old 777. Lots of folks steer away from the LHR flight because of the risk of getting the old C seats.
If you had status and flexibility to make changes close in time without paying change fees, the best option is of course the nonstop on LX from ZRH-SFO. LX doesn't usually release award space in C or F until very close to departure dates, sometimes only a day or two in advance, or never. If it were me, even if I didn't have status I think the change fee would be well worth it if LX opened up C or F space on the flight I wanted.
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Originally Posted by Paulchili:19055718
Obviously, if you are flying from FRA itself, then it makes sense; but there are people connecting from other parts of Europe (like ZRH) that have the option to connect in FRA or LHR and it seems that the FRA flights go first.
aussieinsf partially answered the question.
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If you're flying F, then it isn't too hard to find space on either FRA-SFO or LHR-SFO. C award space is much, much harder to find, especially on FRA-SFO.
In terms of the seat, F on the old 777 is still a suite, although not as nice as new F and the old F suites are pretty worn and beaten up. C is the big difference, with lie flat on new 777s and barcalounger/cradle seats on the old 777. Lots of folks steer away from the LHR flight because of the risk of getting the old C seats.
In terms of the seat, F on the old 777 is still a suite, although not as nice as new F and the old F suites are pretty worn and beaten up. C is the big difference, with lie flat on new 777s and barcalounger/cradle seats on the old 777. Lots of folks steer away from the LHR flight because of the risk of getting the old C seats.
If so, that would explain why the FRA awards go before LHR.
BTW, these flights are not till next June/July - are the 777s out SFO to LHR likely to be fully updated by then (as in de-barcaloungerized )?
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So, are you saying that if I fly out of FRA, in either F or C, 777 or 747, I am not likely to get the old seats but there is a chance out of LHR to get the barcalounger in C?
If so, that would explain why the FRA awards go before LHR.
BTW, these flights are not till next June/July - are the 777s out SFO to LHR likely to be fully updated by then (as in de-barcaloungerized )?
If so, that would explain why the FRA awards go before LHR.
BTW, these flights are not till next June/July - are the 777s out SFO to LHR likely to be fully updated by then (as in de-barcaloungerized )?
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So, are you saying that if I fly out of FRA, in either F or C, 777 or 747, I am not likely to get the old seats but there is a chance out of LHR to get the barcalounger in C?
If so, that would explain why the FRA awards go before LHR.
BTW, these flights are not till next June/July - are the 777s out SFO to LHR likely to be fully updated by then (as in de-barcaloungerized )?
If so, that would explain why the FRA awards go before LHR.
BTW, these flights are not till next June/July - are the 777s out SFO to LHR likely to be fully updated by then (as in de-barcaloungerized )?