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Old Feb 28, 2013, 10:59 am
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Note: There is a reasonable chance (increasing as this 3-class config is retrofitted to remove 3-class F) this configuration may be switch to Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on a 777-200 v5 / Polaris seats / 77J -- so United is often showing a weird seatmap for flights on these planes, reflecting the effort to convert to Polaris Business (without First Class), Premium Economy, and 10-across Y. A discussion of that seatmap is in this thread: Interim 772 seat map with Polaris & potentially Premium Economy (2018)

United has relabeled their site and Version 2 is now Version 1
This thread is about the 3 class 772 and there is only one version being used -- and it will be phased out with time.

Note: This Wiki and thread are devoted to the pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 2. There is a second thread, now locked, devoted to Version 1, with a shorter Wiki (this one addresses all questions, whereas that one addresses only Version 1-specific issues. This thread should be used for discussion of Version 2, although older posts may refer to Version 1 (they were split 8/30/14). Version 1 is no longer in service (12 Feb 2017).

If you are looking for information about the new 777-200 with Polaris configuration, that is available here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...xperience.html

And, if you're looking for the thread about pmCO 777, it's here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ational-5.html

Here is the version 2 seat map:



Version 1 vs. Version 2
Until late 2016, there were two versions of the international 3-class pmUA airplane.
"Version 1" on the United website has 8 First, 40 Business, and 218 coach seats. (No longer in service)
"Version 21" has 8 First, 40 Business, and 221 coach seats. (formerly Version 2 is now Version 1).

Generally speaking, Version 1 was an "XD" configuration with a shorter range (777-200) that flew transatlantic routes (TATL). Version 2 has a longer range and are either an "XJ" or "XQ" configuration of the 777-200ER that flew transpacific routes (TPAC), as well as other longer routes, and now flies all international routes on which a pmUA 777 is used.

There are two noticeable differences between the two, but they are otherwise virtually indistinguishable to the typical passenger and the seating is essentially the same.
  1. Version 1 had crew rest seats towards the back of the economy plus cabin. Version 2 has crew rest below the main deck.
  2. In order to accommodate access to the crew rest area on Version 2, this version has one fewer lavatory in the mid-cabin (2 instead of 3). Yes, it is unfortunate that there is one less bathroom on a plane that typically flies some of the longest routes UA flies (6000+ miles).

Both Version 1 and Version 2 have virtually identical F and C cabins, and nearly identical Y cabins, so most information about seats applies to both versions.

Detailed seat maps are available at:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...-200_3_New.php

AVOD (Audio Video On Demand) is available at every seat, the first UA plane to equipped this way. The first 777-200 in this configuration started flying in April 2010, and will probably take 18-24 months before the entire 777 international fleets are converted. The entire fleet of this plane is equipped with the AVOD system, although audio is no longer "on demand" and is instead a loop of songs in a playlist.

First Class (As UA has ceased selling 3-class F, this cabin will be treated as an extension of the Business cabin -- same service. Generally UA is allowing GS pre-select these seats prior to check-in)3-class First seats now considered Domestic F/Polaris Business & selectable by 1K/GSs
There are only eight First suites, instead of the 10 or 12 in the older 777 configurations. These suites are spacious, with a wide full-flat bed, and plenty of storage spaces. A big difference is the way the new seats are angled toward the aisle, as opposed to angling away. This makes couples traveling together have an awkward time if they take the middle pairs. For single travelers, for sure the individual suites along the side of the fuselage is better. Even for people traveling together, consider taking adjacent seats across the aisle, so you can see each other. Sharing of meals and quiet conversation would be difficult across the aisle would be difficult however.

The First glass galley is concentrated on the right side, so it is probably best to avoid the right aisle if given a choice, and consider seat 2A be the best on this configuration.

As for window view, all of the window suites have plenty of windows, but with the angling of the seats away from the window, it is much harder to look out of them.

Business Class
Equipped with full-flat 180-degree seats similar to the (now-familiar) ones on the 767-300 and 747-400. Divided into two cabins, front cabins has two rows, and three rows in the rear cabin, with the galley and lavatory between these two cabins.

In order to fit eight Business Class seats across, these seats are narrower than the previous recliners that are only 7 across. Even with the arm-rest that can be lowered, these seats do feel relatively snug. The benefit is a full flat sleeping surface, albeit forcing the inside passengers to step over a sleeping neighbor in order to access the aisle. A taller, nimble person may be able to climb over a sleeping neighbor without disrupting them, but for anyone with less height, short legs, or less general flexibility this could be difficult.

The general view is that the preferred row is row 6, since it is the first row and relatively far away from the facilities. If boarding is via L2, you turn left and most of the rest of the passengers will turn right and resulted in much less traffic through your area.

Note that the 777 cabin is about 9 inches narrower than the 747 cabin, with the exact same number of seats, so you will most likely notice the difference, perhaps most so as you are going down the aisles.

Half of the seats are rear-facing. Once the plane levels out you are unlikely to notice this. Only during takeoff and landing is the sensation different than you are accustomed to. Some people express a preference for the rear-facing seats because the pitch of the plane during level flight means your head is slightly elevated relative to your feet.

All four of the middle block seats in each row faces the same direction, the same for all five rows. For what its worth, note that 7A and 7K are missing a window at the foot end of the seat, against the bulkhead (but there are still two windows).

Row 8 is probably the least desirable, since it is closest to the facilities. 8C and 8H most likely would notice the most traffic to the lavatories and galley, and light from the lavs will shine on these seats when the door is opened. The view out of windows in this second cabin is either back toward the wing, or partially being blocked. 10A and 10K also have a middle window next to the seat as well. 10B and 10J might notice FA traffic through the near-by curtain more so than others.

Economy Plus
With the reconfiguration into 3-3-3 vs 2-5-2, there are only four pairs of seats in coach, and all are located in the Economy Plus section.

20AB and 20JK are probably the best coach seats, fully shielded by the bulk-head in front of them, with good legroom as well. 19DEG are the bassinet positions, so beware of that. The curtain separating Business Class is in front of you, but probably is far enough away that it is not really a problem. Since the facilities are in the back, you have a long way to go to the lavatory, but it also meant very little passenger traffic passing by your seat. You also get to be the first Economy passengers to deplane and through immigration. A couple downsides are that your view out the window is mostly the wing, and there is no under-seat storage in front of you. The AVOD system folks up from below the armrest, which means it must be stored during takeoff and landing.

21C and 21H are interesting, since they have unlimited legroom with no seat in front of them. This mean no under-seat storage in front, and trays are in the arm-rest, making the seat feel slightly narrower, and your monitor is mounted on a swing arm. With your feet extended, just beware that people and carts passing through might occasionally bump you.

There is a missing window around row 23 and 24, so choose another row if you want a view looking mostly at the wings. However, while Row 24 is missing a window, there is still one window available.

The other two pairs of seats are the last row of this Economy Plus cabin, at 31AB and 31JK. Note that there is only one window for 31A and 31J (rather than 1.5 to 2), and this row is near the lavatories, so certainly more traffic. You are also just in front of the emergency exit, so people sometimes congregate in the area just behind you.

Best to avoid 30C and 30H, since there is no seat behind them, and their seatbacks could be used as hand-grabs by passengers passing through, or occasionally being bumped by carts.

Power ports are available in all of economy, one port for the seat-pairs, and two for each three seat cluster. The outlet is mounted just under the seat cushion edge, so a bit hard to access unless you know where to look.

33ABC and 33HJK are the exit row seats, near the lavatory, and subjected to people congregating in front of you. No under-seat storage in front, and trays and LCD screens are in arm-rest and swing-arms respectively, making the seat feel narrower. 33A and 33K do not have a window, although they are probably far enough away from the exit slide that legroom is not really an issue.

34DEG is the bulk-head row, video monitor on the wall, and this is also the bassinet position. Decent legroom, but again no under-seat storage.

Economy Class

The galley is in the back of the plane, as well as another two lavatories, so there will be more traffic through the back of the plane.

Rows 43-46 probably are the last to be assigned, or often reserved for tour groups with no advance seat assignment. They might also be more likely to be unassigned on occasions, and therefore somewhat likely to have an adjacent seat open for you to gamble on. You would, however, be the last to deplane and through immigration, and the back of the plane does get a little more motion especially through turbulence.
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by 1KChinito
20 AB and JK are all good. Window seats A&K allow you to lean against wall to sleep. It feels like a mini cabin by itself.

Do they keep the curtains tightly closed? I assume
there's not a whole lot of traffic near 20AB and 20JK?

Thanks!
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
Edit:
just wondering if this really is UA 777-200 v2?
The photo caption said flight was out of NRT.
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Yes, it is v2. But v1 is the same in this regard (only difference is some seats at back of E+ cabin reserved for crew).

Easiest way to tell quickly from seat map:

biz 6 across or E+ not throughout frontmost economy cabin-->pmCO 777
biz 8 across and no funky seat gap at back center of E+ cabin-->pmUA 777 v2
biz 8 across and a few seats blocked at back center of E+ cabin-->pmUA 777 v1
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy
Yes, it is v2. But v1 is the same in this regard (only difference is some seats at back of E+ cabin reserved for crew).

Easiest way to tell quickly from seat map:

biz 6 across or E+ not throughout frontmost economy cabin-->pmCO 777
biz 8 across and no funky seat gap at back center of E+ cabin-->pmUA 777 v2
biz 8 across and a few seats blocked at back center of E+ cabin-->pmUA 777 v1
Thanks! I finally realized the difference between the different 777s at UA.

Back to the v2, I guess I shouldn't take 20AB/JK if I don't want my feet to
touch the bulkhead wall? (like in this photo I found earlier) Exit aisle 33C
is currently open, so maybe I'll switch to that one... then again, don't know
how much I enjoy being so close to the lavatories.

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Old Jan 14, 2016, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
Also, since when does UA provide slippers to
E+ passengers?
BTW, not sure those are UA slippers. While it's not a picture of me, I regularly grab the hotel slippers for use on the flight.
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
Exit aisle 33C
is currently open, so maybe I'll switch to that one... then again, don't know
how much I enjoy being so close to the lavatories.
Yeah, you won't because there are only 2 lavs there on V2, so the lines get long. On the plus side, you can wait in your seat until they're available!
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 8:46 am
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Yeah, you won't because there are only 2 lavs there on V2, so the lines get long. On the plus side, you can wait in your seat until they're available!
That's what I figured. When people are hanging around waiting for the lavs,
they probably just stand right in front of 33ABC. Not to mention the smell.

I'm keeping 20J for a little more peace a quiet. Unless there's a crying baby
in a bassinet in 19DFG.
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 9:22 am
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I recently flew on a 772 and the people in 33ABC looked miserable. There's no wall separating you from the bathroom traffic. And there's not a window either. You're just sitting there in open space with no privacy whatsoever. And yes, the lavs are old and smelly. Better to sit in the forward E+ cabin even if not bulkhead.

Originally Posted by weltfrieden
That's what I figured. When people are hanging around waiting for the lavs,
they probably just stand right in front of 33ABC. Not to mention the smell.

I'm keeping 20J for a little more peace a quiet. Unless there's a crying baby
in a bassinet in 19DFG.
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 9:35 am
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Why would anyone even be thinking about changing out of 20J??? The only reason to move from that seat is if 20A or 20K became available. Or for a full middle row of empty E once the door closes.
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Old Jan 15, 2016, 11:10 am
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I'm booking tomorrow on a 777-200 from ORD- MUC and then connecting on to Aegean Air to ATH. I'll be BF but all the seats facing away from people are booked, except for the ones closest to economy. I've flown 777's before but never ones with BF seats facing each other. I mean, how does that work? I have nerve damage in my foot/leg and I don't need someone kicking me or having feet meeting. Is it nicer than it looks? I prefer window seats but wonder how boxed in I'll be? Also, if I do choose a seat in the cabin closest to economy seating, does that mean I get last choice with meals? I CAN book Lufthansa Business if this isn't a good choice. I just want to be comfy for the long red-eye flight w/o worrying about bothering anyone or being bothered. I can choose from 8K, 9 A and B, ANY seat in row 10, and ALL the middle seats in both BF cabins. Suggestions?
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Old Jan 15, 2016, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by thaliajen
I'm booking tomorrow on a 777-200 from ORD- MUC and then connecting on to Aegean Air to ATH. I'll be BF but all the seats facing away from people are booked, except for the ones closest to economy. I've flown 777's before but never ones with BF seats facing each other. I mean, how does that work? I have nerve damage in my foot/leg and I don't need someone kicking me or having feet meeting. Is it nicer than it looks? ...
as answered earlier there is a barrier (where the video screen is mounted) between rows. And as far as see other people, if you lend to the side and look forward yes yo can see other -- sort of like if you look to the side and see the person across the aisle. If looking at your video screen you don't see other people. Some are bothered by this, many are not.


Originally Posted by thaliajen
....
I prefer window seats but wonder how boxed in I'll be? ...
if the aisle person is in sleep position, you do need to step over them -- if 5'6" or so taller that is no problem, if shorter (or short legged) it could be an issue

Originally Posted by thaliajen
Also, if I do choose a seat in the cabin closest to economy seating, does that mean I get last choice with meals? ...
if not GS or 1K, potentially yes
Originally Posted by thaliajen
... I can choose from 8K, 9 A and B, ANY seat in row 10, and ALL the middle seats in both BF cabins. Suggestions?
My choice is to stay to the side seats and pick an aisle.
9B faces the galley -- if you don't use eye shades (I do), the galley lights have bothered some.
The wiki has more info on seating.
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Old Jan 15, 2016, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
And as far as see other people, if you lend to the side and look forward yes yo can see other -- sort of like if you look to the side and see the person across the aisle. If looking at your video screen you don't see other people. Some are bothered by this, many are not.
People seem to be most bothered in 10B/J because they are looking at people who are in economy.
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Old Jan 16, 2016, 2:01 pm
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Hello FT! 2 quick questions...

1) Never flew UA Global First. If I am going with my wife I assume best to get one Aisle and one center seat? Seats 2A and 2C perhaps? Flight is IAD to Pairs 915. Thanks as always!

2) I assume there is a First Class lounge at IAD for us but when we land in Pairs we are connecting on Adria Airways going to Tallin. Have about 2 hours- I assume that is enough time? Is there access to any lounge as pairs when we arrive? Thank you!

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Old Mar 19, 2016, 6:08 pm
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I can't seem to find much in this thread about row 19 - what's that like in terms of legroom?

I'm going to be on this on a daytime flight, fixed armrests don't bother me (unless it's a 787, or a 3-4-3 777, that's just too narrow), so I took 19G. The amazing row 20/21 seats are unfortunately already taken.

(There are plenty of open rows in the remainder of the cabin right now, if that's still the case at checkin then I might grab 3 to myself.)
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Old Mar 19, 2016, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by televisor
I can't seem to find much in this thread about row 19 - what's that like in terms of legroom?

I'm going to be on this on a daytime flight, fixed armrests don't bother me (unless it's a 787, or a 3-4-3 777, that's just too narrow), so I took 19G. The amazing row 20/21 seats are unfortunately already taken.

(There are plenty of open rows in the remainder of the cabin right now, if that's still the case at checkin then I might grab 3 to myself.)
As you may know, United may reserve the seats for a family with baby. Bassinet is normally held at either 19D or 19G. My preference is any aisle seat in the middle row so that I can stand up any time. Good luck.
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Old Mar 21, 2016, 6:27 pm
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Row 19 D/E or another aisle/middle combo for couple vs row 31?

Row 19 opened up at T-24. No one currently sitting in 19G. Row 31 is also open but.. wary about begin so close to lavs and flight crew rest. Opinions?

SFO-HND ~10HR flight
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