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Old Feb 28, 2013, 10:59 am
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Note: There is a reasonable chance (increasing as this 3-class config is retrofitted to remove 3-class F) this configuration may be switch to Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on a 777-200 v5 / Polaris seats / 77J -- so United is often showing a weird seatmap for flights on these planes, reflecting the effort to convert to Polaris Business (without First Class), Premium Economy, and 10-across Y. A discussion of that seatmap is in this thread: Interim 772 seat map with Polaris & potentially Premium Economy (2018)

United has relabeled their site and Version 2 is now Version 1
This thread is about the 3 class 772 and there is only one version being used -- and it will be phased out with time.

Note: This Wiki and thread are devoted to the pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 2. There is a second thread, now locked, devoted to Version 1, with a shorter Wiki (this one addresses all questions, whereas that one addresses only Version 1-specific issues. This thread should be used for discussion of Version 2, although older posts may refer to Version 1 (they were split 8/30/14). Version 1 is no longer in service (12 Feb 2017).

If you are looking for information about the new 777-200 with Polaris configuration, that is available here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...xperience.html

And, if you're looking for the thread about pmCO 777, it's here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ational-5.html

Here is the version 2 seat map:



Version 1 vs. Version 2
Until late 2016, there were two versions of the international 3-class pmUA airplane.
"Version 1" on the United website has 8 First, 40 Business, and 218 coach seats. (No longer in service)
"Version 21" has 8 First, 40 Business, and 221 coach seats. (formerly Version 2 is now Version 1).

Generally speaking, Version 1 was an "XD" configuration with a shorter range (777-200) that flew transatlantic routes (TATL). Version 2 has a longer range and are either an "XJ" or "XQ" configuration of the 777-200ER that flew transpacific routes (TPAC), as well as other longer routes, and now flies all international routes on which a pmUA 777 is used.

There are two noticeable differences between the two, but they are otherwise virtually indistinguishable to the typical passenger and the seating is essentially the same.
  1. Version 1 had crew rest seats towards the back of the economy plus cabin. Version 2 has crew rest below the main deck.
  2. In order to accommodate access to the crew rest area on Version 2, this version has one fewer lavatory in the mid-cabin (2 instead of 3). Yes, it is unfortunate that there is one less bathroom on a plane that typically flies some of the longest routes UA flies (6000+ miles).

Both Version 1 and Version 2 have virtually identical F and C cabins, and nearly identical Y cabins, so most information about seats applies to both versions.

Detailed seat maps are available at:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...-200_3_New.php

AVOD (Audio Video On Demand) is available at every seat, the first UA plane to equipped this way. The first 777-200 in this configuration started flying in April 2010, and will probably take 18-24 months before the entire 777 international fleets are converted. The entire fleet of this plane is equipped with the AVOD system, although audio is no longer "on demand" and is instead a loop of songs in a playlist.

First Class (As UA has ceased selling 3-class F, this cabin will be treated as an extension of the Business cabin -- same service. Generally UA is allowing GS pre-select these seats prior to check-in)3-class First seats now considered Domestic F/Polaris Business & selectable by 1K/GSs
There are only eight First suites, instead of the 10 or 12 in the older 777 configurations. These suites are spacious, with a wide full-flat bed, and plenty of storage spaces. A big difference is the way the new seats are angled toward the aisle, as opposed to angling away. This makes couples traveling together have an awkward time if they take the middle pairs. For single travelers, for sure the individual suites along the side of the fuselage is better. Even for people traveling together, consider taking adjacent seats across the aisle, so you can see each other. Sharing of meals and quiet conversation would be difficult across the aisle would be difficult however.

The First glass galley is concentrated on the right side, so it is probably best to avoid the right aisle if given a choice, and consider seat 2A be the best on this configuration.

As for window view, all of the window suites have plenty of windows, but with the angling of the seats away from the window, it is much harder to look out of them.

Business Class
Equipped with full-flat 180-degree seats similar to the (now-familiar) ones on the 767-300 and 747-400. Divided into two cabins, front cabins has two rows, and three rows in the rear cabin, with the galley and lavatory between these two cabins.

In order to fit eight Business Class seats across, these seats are narrower than the previous recliners that are only 7 across. Even with the arm-rest that can be lowered, these seats do feel relatively snug. The benefit is a full flat sleeping surface, albeit forcing the inside passengers to step over a sleeping neighbor in order to access the aisle. A taller, nimble person may be able to climb over a sleeping neighbor without disrupting them, but for anyone with less height, short legs, or less general flexibility this could be difficult.

The general view is that the preferred row is row 6, since it is the first row and relatively far away from the facilities. If boarding is via L2, you turn left and most of the rest of the passengers will turn right and resulted in much less traffic through your area.

Note that the 777 cabin is about 9 inches narrower than the 747 cabin, with the exact same number of seats, so you will most likely notice the difference, perhaps most so as you are going down the aisles.

Half of the seats are rear-facing. Once the plane levels out you are unlikely to notice this. Only during takeoff and landing is the sensation different than you are accustomed to. Some people express a preference for the rear-facing seats because the pitch of the plane during level flight means your head is slightly elevated relative to your feet.

All four of the middle block seats in each row faces the same direction, the same for all five rows. For what its worth, note that 7A and 7K are missing a window at the foot end of the seat, against the bulkhead (but there are still two windows).

Row 8 is probably the least desirable, since it is closest to the facilities. 8C and 8H most likely would notice the most traffic to the lavatories and galley, and light from the lavs will shine on these seats when the door is opened. The view out of windows in this second cabin is either back toward the wing, or partially being blocked. 10A and 10K also have a middle window next to the seat as well. 10B and 10J might notice FA traffic through the near-by curtain more so than others.

Economy Plus
With the reconfiguration into 3-3-3 vs 2-5-2, there are only four pairs of seats in coach, and all are located in the Economy Plus section.

20AB and 20JK are probably the best coach seats, fully shielded by the bulk-head in front of them, with good legroom as well. 19DEG are the bassinet positions, so beware of that. The curtain separating Business Class is in front of you, but probably is far enough away that it is not really a problem. Since the facilities are in the back, you have a long way to go to the lavatory, but it also meant very little passenger traffic passing by your seat. You also get to be the first Economy passengers to deplane and through immigration. A couple downsides are that your view out the window is mostly the wing, and there is no under-seat storage in front of you. The AVOD system folks up from below the armrest, which means it must be stored during takeoff and landing.

21C and 21H are interesting, since they have unlimited legroom with no seat in front of them. This mean no under-seat storage in front, and trays are in the arm-rest, making the seat feel slightly narrower, and your monitor is mounted on a swing arm. With your feet extended, just beware that people and carts passing through might occasionally bump you.

There is a missing window around row 23 and 24, so choose another row if you want a view looking mostly at the wings. However, while Row 24 is missing a window, there is still one window available.

The other two pairs of seats are the last row of this Economy Plus cabin, at 31AB and 31JK. Note that there is only one window for 31A and 31J (rather than 1.5 to 2), and this row is near the lavatories, so certainly more traffic. You are also just in front of the emergency exit, so people sometimes congregate in the area just behind you.

Best to avoid 30C and 30H, since there is no seat behind them, and their seatbacks could be used as hand-grabs by passengers passing through, or occasionally being bumped by carts.

Power ports are available in all of economy, one port for the seat-pairs, and two for each three seat cluster. The outlet is mounted just under the seat cushion edge, so a bit hard to access unless you know where to look.

33ABC and 33HJK are the exit row seats, near the lavatory, and subjected to people congregating in front of you. No under-seat storage in front, and trays and LCD screens are in arm-rest and swing-arms respectively, making the seat feel narrower. 33A and 33K do not have a window, although they are probably far enough away from the exit slide that legroom is not really an issue.

34DEG is the bulk-head row, video monitor on the wall, and this is also the bassinet position. Decent legroom, but again no under-seat storage.

Economy Class

The galley is in the back of the plane, as well as another two lavatories, so there will be more traffic through the back of the plane.

Rows 43-46 probably are the last to be assigned, or often reserved for tour groups with no advance seat assignment. They might also be more likely to be unassigned on occasions, and therefore somewhat likely to have an adjacent seat open for you to gamble on. You would, however, be the last to deplane and through immigration, and the back of the plane does get a little more motion especially through turbulence.
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Old May 23, 2015, 4:59 pm
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Also seems like lwss likely to have middle seat taken.
The strategy for that is to park yourself next to a single middle seat, eg, take the aisle where window already occupied.
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Newbie here. We're flying UA839, LAX-SYD, on 12/23/2015. Seats are 23ABC in E+ for wife, kid and myself.

Are there any better seats for 3 across? Could snag almost anything behind (but not in front) at this time.

Btw, is 29A missing a window?

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Originally Posted by robertades
Btw, are all UA 777s still 9 across?
Yes.

For now anyway ....
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Does anyone know if/why seats 19D/E might be blocked for LAX-SYD on most all of the flights in early 2016? Crew seats?

Booking tickets for 6 out into March/April 2016 and those two seats are taken on both flights I'm looking at.

Also, booking 6 E+ seats, 2 adults (one is 6'3"), a 17 yo, 15 yo and two fidgety little boys. Any advice for all of us sitting in E+?
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Originally Posted by robertades
Newbie here. We're flying UA839, LAX-SYD, on 12/23/2015. Seats are 23ABC in E+ for wife, kid and myself.

Are there any better seats for 3 across? Could snag almost anything behind (but not in front) at this time.

Btw, is 29A missing a window?

Thank you,
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Personally I'd take a DEG group (middle three). Flight is overnight and over-ocean, so the only scenery is on landing. But for the other 13 hours of flying you don't all have to get up to let someone out. Assuming kid in middle, only you or wife has to get up.

Actually, if you want to be aggressive and if you have your choice of seats this far out, I'd go with C, D, G (or D, G, H) and hope the middle remains open. Worst that happens is you give up the aisle and get the middle as planned.
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Old May 31, 2015, 11:53 am
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Since we're flying in January (their summer), wouldn't the last few hours of flight time be in daylight?

Also, is there much of anything to see on approach to SYD, from either side of the plane?

Does row 19 DEG (bulkhead) have fixed arnrests?

Originally Posted by drewguy
Personally I'd take a DEG group (middle three). Flight is overnight and over-ocean, so the only scenery is on landing. But for the other 13 hours of flying you don't all have to get up to let someone out. Assuming kid in middle, only you or wife has to get up.

Actually, if you want to be aggressive and if you have your choice of seats this far out, I'd go with C, D, G (or D, G, H) and hope the middle remains open. Worst that happens is you give up the aisle and get the middle as planned.
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Does row 19 DEG (bulkhead) have fixed armrests?
I can give you a quick answer on this one: Yes.
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... Does row 19 DEG (bulkhead) have fixed arnrests?
If the tray is in the armrest, it is a fixed armrest. So yes those seats have fixed armrests.
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Do you ever feel that sitting in the middle 3 seats is somehow a little less private than sitting on the sides? I'm pondering the advantages of having two aisles and possibly less aircraft noise in the middle section vs. a little more privacy and a wall to rest against on the side. Recall that we're in E+ FWIW.

Originally Posted by drewguy
Personally I'd take a DEG group (middle three). Flight is overnight and over-ocean, so the only scenery is on landing. But for the other 13 hours of flying you don't all have to get up to let someone out. Assuming kid in middle, only you or wife has to get up.

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LAX-SYD; Business class

Any comments/information concerning best seating in business class on 777-200 would be greatly appreciated. Have searched for information but remain confused. Thanx in advance for any input.
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Old Jun 1, 2015, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by robertades
Also, is there much of anything to see on approach to SYD, from either side of the plane?

Does row 19 DEG (bulkhead) have fixed arnrests?
Yes to fixed armrests for row 19. Also flip out TV screens and tray tables.

In Jan sunrise is around 6am, so the last hour will be sunrise.

Once you get through the clouds you see water, water, get closer and closer to the water and then hit the runway. Could see some lights and buildings in the distance but it's not the CBD/opera house/harbour bridge. You fly in from the ocean straight onto the runway.

Did have a beautiful sunrise and a double rainbow on the top of the terminal greeting us yesterday morning.

What surprised me about United is that don't require the window shades to be open for take off or landing like other airlines.... Well at least the Australian airlines
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Flying UA 907 ORD-FRA in Sept. Noticed that the E+ seats 28 D E G are missing completely from the UA seat map. Are these blocked for FA rest? Not showing as occupied, just completely missing from the seat map. Thinking of moving from a side pair (window, aisle, middle open) to the same center pair with middle open, figuring if the middle seat gets occupied we can offer an aisle, and avoid climbing over each other to get up.

Any advice on which middle pair might be best in the pmUA 777 V2 in E+? Our first thought is something further back since non-revs seem to be assigned from the front of the cabin.

Thanks!
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Old Jun 1, 2015, 7:00 pm
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Originally Posted by don731
Flying UA 907 ORD-FRA in Sept. Noticed that the E+ seats 28 D E G are missing completely from the UA seat map. Are these blocked for FA rest? Not showing as occupied, just completely missing from the seat map.
Wrong thread! The missing three seats from Row 28 is the defining characteristic of Version 1. Although it really only affects seating in that particular row.

Everything You Wanted to Know About Where to Sit - pmUA 772 Version 1
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Old Jun 1, 2015, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Wrong thread! The missing three seats from Row 28 is the defining characteristic of Version 1. Although it really only affects seating in that particular row.

Everything You Wanted to Know About Where to Sit - pmUA 772 Version 1
Sorry! Will repost there. In the meantime, I've learned that the missing 28 center block just denotes two rows of well separated FA rest seats...
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Old Jun 3, 2015, 8:39 pm
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Is there a thread for 2 cabin 777 international? I'm trying to find out if row 35 is too close to the toilet, if I will notice any smell from there? Do I want to be in front of the toilets to avoid any smell or does it not make a difference? I don't want to be too far back because of the chance for turbulence and too much movement farther back.

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