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Old Feb 28, 2013, 10:59 am
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Note: There is a reasonable chance (increasing as this 3-class config is retrofitted to remove 3-class F) this configuration may be switch to Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on a 777-200 v5 / Polaris seats / 77J -- so United is often showing a weird seatmap for flights on these planes, reflecting the effort to convert to Polaris Business (without First Class), Premium Economy, and 10-across Y. A discussion of that seatmap is in this thread: Interim 772 seat map with Polaris & potentially Premium Economy (2018)

United has relabeled their site and Version 2 is now Version 1
This thread is about the 3 class 772 and there is only one version being used -- and it will be phased out with time.

Note: This Wiki and thread are devoted to the pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 2. There is a second thread, now locked, devoted to Version 1, with a shorter Wiki (this one addresses all questions, whereas that one addresses only Version 1-specific issues. This thread should be used for discussion of Version 2, although older posts may refer to Version 1 (they were split 8/30/14). Version 1 is no longer in service (12 Feb 2017).

If you are looking for information about the new 777-200 with Polaris configuration, that is available here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...xperience.html

And, if you're looking for the thread about pmCO 777, it's here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ational-5.html

Here is the version 2 seat map:



Version 1 vs. Version 2
Until late 2016, there were two versions of the international 3-class pmUA airplane.
"Version 1" on the United website has 8 First, 40 Business, and 218 coach seats. (No longer in service)
"Version 21" has 8 First, 40 Business, and 221 coach seats. (formerly Version 2 is now Version 1).

Generally speaking, Version 1 was an "XD" configuration with a shorter range (777-200) that flew transatlantic routes (TATL). Version 2 has a longer range and are either an "XJ" or "XQ" configuration of the 777-200ER that flew transpacific routes (TPAC), as well as other longer routes, and now flies all international routes on which a pmUA 777 is used.

There are two noticeable differences between the two, but they are otherwise virtually indistinguishable to the typical passenger and the seating is essentially the same.
  1. Version 1 had crew rest seats towards the back of the economy plus cabin. Version 2 has crew rest below the main deck.
  2. In order to accommodate access to the crew rest area on Version 2, this version has one fewer lavatory in the mid-cabin (2 instead of 3). Yes, it is unfortunate that there is one less bathroom on a plane that typically flies some of the longest routes UA flies (6000+ miles).

Both Version 1 and Version 2 have virtually identical F and C cabins, and nearly identical Y cabins, so most information about seats applies to both versions.

Detailed seat maps are available at:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...-200_3_New.php

AVOD (Audio Video On Demand) is available at every seat, the first UA plane to equipped this way. The first 777-200 in this configuration started flying in April 2010, and will probably take 18-24 months before the entire 777 international fleets are converted. The entire fleet of this plane is equipped with the AVOD system, although audio is no longer "on demand" and is instead a loop of songs in a playlist.

First Class (As UA has ceased selling 3-class F, this cabin will be treated as an extension of the Business cabin -- same service. Generally UA is allowing GS pre-select these seats prior to check-in)3-class First seats now considered Domestic F/Polaris Business & selectable by 1K/GSs
There are only eight First suites, instead of the 10 or 12 in the older 777 configurations. These suites are spacious, with a wide full-flat bed, and plenty of storage spaces. A big difference is the way the new seats are angled toward the aisle, as opposed to angling away. This makes couples traveling together have an awkward time if they take the middle pairs. For single travelers, for sure the individual suites along the side of the fuselage is better. Even for people traveling together, consider taking adjacent seats across the aisle, so you can see each other. Sharing of meals and quiet conversation would be difficult across the aisle would be difficult however.

The First glass galley is concentrated on the right side, so it is probably best to avoid the right aisle if given a choice, and consider seat 2A be the best on this configuration.

As for window view, all of the window suites have plenty of windows, but with the angling of the seats away from the window, it is much harder to look out of them.

Business Class
Equipped with full-flat 180-degree seats similar to the (now-familiar) ones on the 767-300 and 747-400. Divided into two cabins, front cabins has two rows, and three rows in the rear cabin, with the galley and lavatory between these two cabins.

In order to fit eight Business Class seats across, these seats are narrower than the previous recliners that are only 7 across. Even with the arm-rest that can be lowered, these seats do feel relatively snug. The benefit is a full flat sleeping surface, albeit forcing the inside passengers to step over a sleeping neighbor in order to access the aisle. A taller, nimble person may be able to climb over a sleeping neighbor without disrupting them, but for anyone with less height, short legs, or less general flexibility this could be difficult.

The general view is that the preferred row is row 6, since it is the first row and relatively far away from the facilities. If boarding is via L2, you turn left and most of the rest of the passengers will turn right and resulted in much less traffic through your area.

Note that the 777 cabin is about 9 inches narrower than the 747 cabin, with the exact same number of seats, so you will most likely notice the difference, perhaps most so as you are going down the aisles.

Half of the seats are rear-facing. Once the plane levels out you are unlikely to notice this. Only during takeoff and landing is the sensation different than you are accustomed to. Some people express a preference for the rear-facing seats because the pitch of the plane during level flight means your head is slightly elevated relative to your feet.

All four of the middle block seats in each row faces the same direction, the same for all five rows. For what its worth, note that 7A and 7K are missing a window at the foot end of the seat, against the bulkhead (but there are still two windows).

Row 8 is probably the least desirable, since it is closest to the facilities. 8C and 8H most likely would notice the most traffic to the lavatories and galley, and light from the lavs will shine on these seats when the door is opened. The view out of windows in this second cabin is either back toward the wing, or partially being blocked. 10A and 10K also have a middle window next to the seat as well. 10B and 10J might notice FA traffic through the near-by curtain more so than others.

Economy Plus
With the reconfiguration into 3-3-3 vs 2-5-2, there are only four pairs of seats in coach, and all are located in the Economy Plus section.

20AB and 20JK are probably the best coach seats, fully shielded by the bulk-head in front of them, with good legroom as well. 19DEG are the bassinet positions, so beware of that. The curtain separating Business Class is in front of you, but probably is far enough away that it is not really a problem. Since the facilities are in the back, you have a long way to go to the lavatory, but it also meant very little passenger traffic passing by your seat. You also get to be the first Economy passengers to deplane and through immigration. A couple downsides are that your view out the window is mostly the wing, and there is no under-seat storage in front of you. The AVOD system folks up from below the armrest, which means it must be stored during takeoff and landing.

21C and 21H are interesting, since they have unlimited legroom with no seat in front of them. This mean no under-seat storage in front, and trays are in the arm-rest, making the seat feel slightly narrower, and your monitor is mounted on a swing arm. With your feet extended, just beware that people and carts passing through might occasionally bump you.

There is a missing window around row 23 and 24, so choose another row if you want a view looking mostly at the wings. However, while Row 24 is missing a window, there is still one window available.

The other two pairs of seats are the last row of this Economy Plus cabin, at 31AB and 31JK. Note that there is only one window for 31A and 31J (rather than 1.5 to 2), and this row is near the lavatories, so certainly more traffic. You are also just in front of the emergency exit, so people sometimes congregate in the area just behind you.

Best to avoid 30C and 30H, since there is no seat behind them, and their seatbacks could be used as hand-grabs by passengers passing through, or occasionally being bumped by carts.

Power ports are available in all of economy, one port for the seat-pairs, and two for each three seat cluster. The outlet is mounted just under the seat cushion edge, so a bit hard to access unless you know where to look.

33ABC and 33HJK are the exit row seats, near the lavatory, and subjected to people congregating in front of you. No under-seat storage in front, and trays and LCD screens are in arm-rest and swing-arms respectively, making the seat feel narrower. 33A and 33K do not have a window, although they are probably far enough away from the exit slide that legroom is not really an issue.

34DEG is the bulk-head row, video monitor on the wall, and this is also the bassinet position. Decent legroom, but again no under-seat storage.

Economy Class

The galley is in the back of the plane, as well as another two lavatories, so there will be more traffic through the back of the plane.

Rows 43-46 probably are the last to be assigned, or often reserved for tour groups with no advance seat assignment. They might also be more likely to be unassigned on occasions, and therefore somewhat likely to have an adjacent seat open for you to gamble on. You would, however, be the last to deplane and through immigration, and the back of the plane does get a little more motion especially through turbulence.
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Old Jun 6, 2012, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by rkkwan
NO indication whatsoever that these are NOT accurate, so there should be one port for two pax:
Yeah, they're built into (or bolted on to) the seat posts, so it would be odd for there not to be one in the bulkhead seats (i.e., there's nothing special about that part of the bulkhead seat that would preclude it--it might be different if it were, say, built into the tray table).

I have to say these outlets are one of the best kept secrets on these planes. I've had several flights but don't recall seeing much use of them--they're not exactly obvious.
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I have to say these outlets are one of the best kept secrets on these planes. I've had several flights but don't recall seeing much use of them--they're not exactly obvious.
I have to agree. I've seen almost no one using the power ports, and have had to tell a couple of people that they were there after hearing them complain that their laptops were out of juice.
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Old Jun 8, 2012, 8:57 am
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First class for couple (actually parent/child). 2C/H or 1C/H?
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Old Jun 8, 2012, 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy
First class for couple (actually parent/child). 2C/H or 1C/H?
2C/H. 1CH gets more light and noise from galley. Both choices are fine, though.
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Old Jun 8, 2012, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by blueman2
2C/H. 1CH gets more light and noise from galley. Both choices are fine, though.
Yeah, can't complain either way, especially on saver award. But if there's a choice . . .
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Old Jun 8, 2012, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy
Yeah, can't complain either way, especially on saver award. But if there's a choice . . .
If there's a choice, I'd go with 2 C/H. I travelled ORD-NRT with a companion on the new 777 in 1 C/H. Companion sat in H didn’t like the light/noise coming from the galley… the H side is where the crew tends to congregate (or at least did on our flight). Plus they keep the shade open (or at least did on our flight) on the door on that side and the galley curtain definitely does not do much to block out the light. Additionally, 2A is often a crew rest so you won’t have a noisy neighbor there. In 2C I’d imagine there’s less traffic as a result.

Finally, the seat maps on seat guru and .bomb both over-exaggerate the extent of the angle and space between the two middle seats. Very comfortable for flying and having conversations with a companion.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by blueman2
2C/H. 1CH gets more light and noise from galley. Both choices are fine, though.
Great to hear as I had been searching for this tidbit for a late Summer BRU-IAD trip with the life-boss and she is next door in 2H for our first COdbaUA GF experience after many pmCO BF.

But we had an equipment change & seat change on ORD-FRA from 747 to 77Q/D (at least for now) for outbound and we are now 1A-1C. No C/H combo open to push UA for a change.
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Old Jun 25, 2012, 6:30 pm
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I like window seats facing the pilot and my only choices are 6K or 9K. Which would you go for?
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Old Jun 25, 2012, 6:32 pm
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6K because of the mini-cabin and front to back meal selection.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 4:27 pm
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777 Confusion

I am flying to LHR to/from London and currently aircraft is a 777 each way with 50 BF and 226 economy (Version 7) on UA's website. Which aircraft does this translate to in the coding system? Also, will this plane be undergoing renovation before October?

I don't fully understand what the plan for all the 777's in terms of interior renovations. Reading seems to just confuse me more.
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Old Jun 26, 2012, 4:32 pm
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I assume you're either flying from EWR or IAH then. This is a PMCO 772. The only "upgrade" they are going through is the installation of E+. That entails the removal of one row of Y (9) seats. They have already begun upgrading one, and upgrades should go much quicker than the BF upgrades went. By October, all of these will have E+. Meaning, by October, there will be no Version 7 772s; just Version 6.

(Contrast with the PMUA 772s - the international ones are either in IPTE config or moving to it; eventually, there will be no Version 3 or 4, just 1 or 2. Version 5 is a domestic config and separate.)
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 11:27 pm
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Confused about new vs old J on 777-200 SFO-LHR (UA 930).
This is for May 2013.
When I booked it, it showed the new type of seats (facing both forward and back). Couldn't select a seat and neither could the agent that day or the next few days. Now it's a few days later and when I tried again to select my seats, it shows the old type seats (square boxes).
Can anybody enlighten me please - what type of business class seat will I actually be in? I sure hope it will be the lie-flat variety and not a barca-lounger type.
TIA
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Paulchili
Confused about new vs old J on 777-200 SFO-LHR (UA 930).
This is for May 2013.
When I booked it, it showed the new type of seats (facing both forward and back). Couldn't select a seat and neither could the agent that day or the next few days. Now it's a few days later and when I tried again to select my seats, it shows the old type seats (square boxes).
Can anybody enlighten me please - what type of business class seat will I actually be in? I sure hope it will be the lie-flat variety and not a barca-lounger type.
TIA
I don't recall the completion date of the 777 IPTE upgrade. However, by May 2013, I'd say you have a very good chance of getting the lie-flat seats in C.
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Old Jun 29, 2012, 5:45 am
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Good morning everyone.
I'm traveling from CID to PVG. Ord to Pvg is in global first. Flying the new commit 777-200. Can anyone tell me what is a good seat and or what seat to stay away from.
Thanks everyone.
Tony
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Old Jun 30, 2012, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Dubuque75
Good morning everyone.
I'm traveling from CID to PVG. Ord to Pvg is in global first. Flying the new commit 777-200. Can anyone tell me what is a good seat and or what seat to stay away from.
Thanks everyone.
Tony
If you're traveling alone, I'd recommend 1A.
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