nova08

Note that in the Summer 1 daily IAD-LHR is downgraded from 763 to 752. I still don't see any note of the EWR-FCO winter suspension. IAD-FCO goes to a 763 for the winter, still 3 class

palefire

That's just great, have an Aeroplan award booking on IAD-ACC in July. What a pain. Any guesses as to how soon the cancellation is going to hit the UA system? I want to proactive in getting rebooked, but right now it still appears possible to purchase IAD-ACC.

*Euroflyer

Where did you see EWR-CPH is shutting down? This is really bad news. Now only option to fly direct is on SAS with their torture hot cabins and patronising self-centered and arrogant stewardesses, that has no knowledge of focus or services for their passengers. :-(

ExRSA

It's mostly corporate fairly-full fare - so very surprised and disappopinted at this move.

sxf24

To be fair, SK seems to have problems everywhere and I wouldn't hold them up as a model of success against UA.

european28

+2

cl.lurker

we've just been "jeff'd up". Again.

http://www.airlinecrew.net/vbulletin...-so-Jeff-d-up-

EliteNewbie

I was told by a MP Agent that IAH - JNB was "in the queue" for the Dreamliners when delivered. Anyone else hear this?^

GUWonder

To be fair, SK hasn't had the benefit of declaring bankruptcy like UA/CO and yet SK has managed to stay in business as long as it has with a daily CPH-NYC route despite being based where higher labor market costs are a given, having somewhat higher other variable costs than CO/UA, and having no extraordinary breaks on capital costs.

I'm not holding up SK as a model of success in general, so who knows what utility is there in bringing up the canard of holding it up as such a model. I consider SK to have been a relative failure compared to various others, with an exception being in regard to a route that SK seems able to maintain in a way that UA/CO cannot despite having smaller metal birds and the benefit of US bankruptcy code to stay in business by restructuring despite what would have passed for insolvency in most of the other OECD countries. This route is NYC-CPH/CPH-NYC.

When it came to non-stop flights connecting NYC with CPH, the back of the flying CO/UA bus wasn't being filled up well enough to make the route a success despite the action in the front of the flying bus. SK has been able to fill up the business class and economy class cabins far more reliably than CO/UA on this route despite flying much larger planes than CO/UA.

jmr50

Nope, and it's kind of an insane route: 9023 miles (vs 8134 from IAD) is a very long way. Compare with the IAH-AKL (which is a real route that's announced) at only 7415 miles, and you're talking about 20% longer.

sxf24

I would call government funding an extraordinary break on capital cost.

Yes, because the airline is being run with a personal vendetta against certain customer groups and no regard for what is a sustainable business practice.

Either the idiocy in this forum is astounding, or we're seeing increasingly poor uses of sarcasm.

NeoOfTheCRS

Probably because SAS is eating CO's lunch on it. Why fly a 757 Atlantic Regional Jet when you can fly on a real airplane on a better airline like SAS?

cvarming

When SK only awards 967 miles for the segment, but charges you exactly the same as UA, I can find a real financial reason to fly UA. Now SK has a new earning scheme in the works starting in may (no more 25% earnings), so that may change my SK avoidance. It will be great to be back on the late ORD-CPH flyer.

NeoOfTheCRS

So could a vendetta against certain customer groups include something like selling upgrades out from under your most elite customers for tens of dollars and then denying the practice?

Or like saying that the integration process has run as smooth as silk, while Mileage Plus balances are screwed up, upgrade systems not being run and mileage awards not being redeposited

Or like demanding upfront co-payment for upgrades plus miles and then not refunding upgrade co-pays when the upgrade doesnt clear? Just a few hypotheticals.

Naw, nothing like that could consitute a vendetta against certain customer groups.

sxf24

A vendetta is a prolonged series of retaliatory, vengeful, or hostile acts. While there have undeniably been changes that we don't like, I think you're misguided about the motivation of recent business decisions.

Perhaps we could focus on constructive conversation rather than silly finger pointing.