Jul 2, 2015, 3:38 pm
Last edit by: drewguy
Version 1 is no longer in service (12 Feb 2017).
Note: This Wiki and thread is devoted to the pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 1. There is a second thread, and more extensive Wiki about both planes, in the Wiki and thread on Version 2. This thread should be used for discussion of Version 1, although older posts may refer to Version 2 (they were split 8/30/14).
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1360456-everything-you-wanted-know-about-where-sit-pmua-3-cabin-777-version-2-a.html
And, if you're looking for the thread about pmCO 777, it's here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1475682-everything-you-want-know-about-where-sit-pmco-777-international-5.html
How can you tell from seat map which version you're on? Look at the seat map image below - if it's this, you're on Version 1
Version 1 vs. Version 2
There are two version of the international 3-class pmUA airplane.
"Version 1" on the United website has 8 First, 40 Business, and 218 coach seats. (no longer in service)
"Version21" has 8 First, 40 Business, and 221 coach seats. (formerly Version 2 is now Version 1).
One unique attribute of Version 1 was the crew rest seats at the back of the E+ cabin in the middle section of Rows 29 and 30 (seats DEG). On most flights these seats were curtained off and dedicated for use by the crew. However, they were sometimes available when these planes were used on shorter routes and there was no need for crew rest. They provided much better legroom and footrests. This post contains a description and pictures: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25059936-post991.html
Fixed bassinets were available in economy 19G, 34G -- none in BF or GF.
Note: This Wiki and thread is devoted to the pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 1. There is a second thread, and more extensive Wiki about both planes, in the Wiki and thread on Version 2. This thread should be used for discussion of Version 1, although older posts may refer to Version 2 (they were split 8/30/14).
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1360456-everything-you-wanted-know-about-where-sit-pmua-3-cabin-777-version-2-a.html
And, if you're looking for the thread about pmCO 777, it's here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1475682-everything-you-want-know-about-where-sit-pmco-777-international-5.html
How can you tell from seat map which version you're on? Look at the seat map image below - if it's this, you're on Version 1
Version 1 vs. Version 2
There are two version of the international 3-class pmUA airplane.
"Version
One unique attribute of Version 1 was the crew rest seats at the back of the E+ cabin in the middle section of Rows 29 and 30 (seats DEG). On most flights these seats were curtained off and dedicated for use by the crew. However, they were sometimes available when these planes were used on shorter routes and there was no need for crew rest. They provided much better legroom and footrests. This post contains a description and pictures: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25059936-post991.html
Fixed bassinets were available in economy 19G, 34G -- none in BF or GF.
Everything You Wanted to Know About Where to Sit on a pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 1
Apr 25, 2010, 12:06 am
#121
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Might help to read the blog-- here a link to reference to the blog http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/13694454-post635.html
or a direct link Randy's Journal (Boeing) on Dreamliner
or a direct link Randy's Journal (Boeing) on Dreamliner
Apr 25, 2010, 12:09 am
#122
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Wow, great observation from someone who is in the middle ( no pun intended ) of it. 3-3-3 may be good for UA, but it's not good for customers, especially couples traveling together, for sure. Unfortunately, as well, since SWUs don't go through as much as they used to, especially for us flying in and out of NRT and the rest of Asia, as well as to and from Europe. Those flights are never at a load factor of 62 percent, their load factor is close to 100%. A 2-5-2 configuration guarantees that 4 couples can sit next to each other, 3-3-3 only allows for 3 couples. This is not good news at all
Psssst. You are giving them an idea ( that most of us don't like )
Now, how silly is that comment? With a 2-5-2 configuration only the middle 5 are destined for either having or not having an empty seat available. The 2 seat rows are in most instances taken by couples traveling together. Now, with a 3-3-3 situation, couples wanting to sit together will reserve the A/B ( or equivalent ) seats, while there are plenty of folk who want to have an aisle seat. Since most single travelers would prefer aisle seats, by definition that would only make available one empty seat, the one in the middle three seats. On a nearly full flight, I would expect the middle seat in the center row of a 2-5-2 configured aircraft to be empty. How does the airline, or a gate agent decide which seats to be "empty" on a nearly full 3-3-3 configuration plane. While I did not read Randy's blog, I cannot understand that rationale.
Psssst. You are giving them an idea ( that most of us don't like )
Now, how silly is that comment? With a 2-5-2 configuration only the middle 5 are destined for either having or not having an empty seat available. The 2 seat rows are in most instances taken by couples traveling together. Now, with a 3-3-3 situation, couples wanting to sit together will reserve the A/B ( or equivalent ) seats, while there are plenty of folk who want to have an aisle seat. Since most single travelers would prefer aisle seats, by definition that would only make available one empty seat, the one in the middle three seats. On a nearly full flight, I would expect the middle seat in the center row of a 2-5-2 configured aircraft to be empty. How does the airline, or a gate agent decide which seats to be "empty" on a nearly full 3-3-3 configuration plane. While I did not read Randy's blog, I cannot understand that rationale.
Apr 25, 2010, 1:11 am
#123
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If it's true (and I can't see any remote either), that's a terrible oversight. A seat-mounted touch-screen is the single stupidest design ever conceived. I challenge United PR or anyone else at United to sit in one of those seats with an eight-year-old behind them and say otherwise with a straight face.
Apr 25, 2010, 1:18 am
#124
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NZ and AC... vs UA? not much difference. If your flying alone a POD wins on AC if you are flying with friends UA wins.. If you have the upper deck on 747! for sure UA wins all that extra room when you drop down the arm rest on the window seat rocks!
Apr 25, 2010, 2:55 am
#125
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Now, how silly is that comment? With a 2-5-2 configuration only the middle 5 are destined for either having or not having an empty seat available. The 2 seat rows are in most instances taken by couples traveling together. Now, with a 3-3-3 situation, couples wanting to sit together will reserve the A/B ( or equivalent ) seats, while there are plenty of folk who want to have an aisle seat. Since most single travelers would prefer aisle seats, by definition that would only make available one empty seat, the one in the middle three seats. On a nearly full flight, I would expect the middle seat in the center row of a 2-5-2 configured aircraft to be empty. How does the airline, or a gate agent decide which seats to be "empty" on a nearly full 3-3-3 configuration plane. While I did not read Randy's blog, I cannot understand that rationale.
I prefer aisle access and if you book one of the aisle middles, at worst there is one person that has to climb over you (and only half the time) if the plane is completely full.
If the plane is 85-90% full or less (particularly E+, which is often the last to fill up on 777 or 767), often I will have an empty middle between me and another pax, the best possible arrangement, as I can get up whenever and no one will climb over me.
On the 777, the arrangement is horrible for me. I have very rarely seen someone with an empty seat next to them in the 2 seat pairs if the load is >60%, and finding a way to pick the lucky seat with an empty next to it on those pair seats is really difficult. As I very much like an empty seat next to me (just behind my preference for an aisle), that leaves the ends of the 5 seat group as possible seats.
As others have noted, the seats second closest to the aisle in the five seat groups are usually filled up next, so that means that if load factors are >80%, I will not have an empty seat next to me, plus there will be at least one person climbing over me to use the bathroom the entire flight, a much worse position than being in a middle aisle seat on a 3x3x3 configuration.
Apr 25, 2010, 3:50 am
#126
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OK team. I'm in Rome and dead tired after flying 9,000+ miles from KOA. I've loaded the pictures that I took on UA 914 on 4/24 to a Flickr acount. Here's the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/muggsybananas/sets/
I think it works. SOmebody try it quickly and tell me it works. I really want to crash!
CB
OK, play among yourselves. I'm crashing.
CB
I think it works. SOmebody try it quickly and tell me it works. I really want to crash!
CB
OK, play among yourselves. I'm crashing.
CB
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Apr 25, 2010, 3:53 am
#127
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OK team. I'm in Rome and dead tired after flying 9,000+ miles from KOA. I've loaded the pictures that I took on UA 914 on 4/24 to a Flickr acount. Here's the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/muggsybananas/sets/
I think it works. SOmebody try it quickly and tell me it works. I really want to crash!
CB
I think it works. SOmebody try it quickly and tell me it works. I really want to crash!
CB
Apr 25, 2010, 4:42 am
#128
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Are these the same seats as in 747 F/C?
Apr 25, 2010, 4:48 am
#129
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OK team. I'm in Rome and dead tired after flying 9,000+ miles from KOA. I've loaded the pictures that I took on UA 914 on 4/24 to a Flickr acount. Here's the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/muggsybananas/sets/
I think it works. SOmebody try it quickly and tell me it works. I really want to crash!
CB
I think it works. SOmebody try it quickly and tell me it works. I really want to crash!
CB
or is it just me
Apr 25, 2010, 5:08 am
#130
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There are two types of new C out there. One kind has a fixed armrest, shaped like a T, between the pairs of seats; the other kind has a metal divider with narrow individual armrests either side that can be raised and lowered separately. I much prefer the latter kind, as they are more comfortable for both sitting (especially when typing on a laptop) and sleeping, and am disappointed to see these look like the other kind.
Apr 25, 2010, 6:08 am
#131
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CaptainBilly, you are my new favorite flyertalker 
Thanks for the pics! Looking good - can't wait to try it myself!
Thanks for the pics! Looking good - can't wait to try it myself!
Apr 25, 2010, 7:38 am
#132
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I've loaded the pictures that I took on UA 914 on 4/24 to a Flickr acount. Here's the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/muggsybananas/sets/
At least 20AB/JK look as good as the old row 17... and there's interesting seat options in 21C/21H. Not sure how/if those will be preferred.
I bet we'll hear lots of flight attendant gripes about navigating the carts around the lavs at door 3 in the future -- doesn't look like there's a lot of space at row 31 to pivot those around.
Apr 25, 2010, 7:59 am
#133
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Thanks CaptainBilly! Great pictures! Really appreciate you getting all of those even as the FA were yelling at you (nice work blurring people's faces too).
Apr 25, 2010, 8:13 am
#134
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Hmm...
C seems way to cramped compared to the old configuration... While the seats are looking nice, especially now with some decent IFE, I still prefer the old seats, maybe not lie flat but very comfortable, wide and plenty of room...
This seems to be a bit disappointing
Anyway, thanks for the pics!
C seems way to cramped compared to the old configuration... While the seats are looking nice, especially now with some decent IFE, I still prefer the old seats, maybe not lie flat but very comfortable, wide and plenty of room...
This seems to be a bit disappointing
Anyway, thanks for the pics!
Apr 25, 2010, 9:20 am
#135
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Hmm...
C seems way to cramped compared to the old configuration... While the seats are looking nice, especially now with some decent IFE, I still prefer the old seats, maybe not lie flat but very comfortable, wide and plenty of room...
This seems to be a bit disappointing
Anyway, thanks for the pics!
C seems way to cramped compared to the old configuration... While the seats are looking nice, especially now with some decent IFE, I still prefer the old seats, maybe not lie flat but very comfortable, wide and plenty of room...
This seems to be a bit disappointing
Anyway, thanks for the pics!
Worth it for a few degrees of extra recline on an 8 hour flight? Not in my book. Like the jamming in of the extra seat across on the 744, BIG
to UA designers.But big thanks to the Captain for doing UAs job. I guess they were embarrassed to post their own photos.