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From SAT Lawyer's First Post:

Please also see: http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/320/Un..._First_&_Biz)/ and http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...747-400_B.php]

What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 3:58 pm
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I can see maybe the "A" side if you are really small and skinny but it's harder on the "K" side.
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I'm pretty skinny and can usually squeeze through small gaps. Good to know that the A side is best for this on the UD.

Thanks guys.
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by flyinjer
I'm pretty skinny and can usually squeeze through small gaps. Good to know that the A side is best for this on the UD.

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You can definitely get out from 14A and 16A. I've never sat in 15A so can't confirm. You can't get out from any of the K seats.
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 10:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Actually you can't do the "escape" from row 13

I like 14 and 16 over 15 and 13 because there's more room and less offset to the video screen. 12, 16J/K, and 17 are no go due to location.

I love the window for the private storage bins and "ledge" next to the seat.
I've never seen the upper deck of the 747. How does the "escape" work for the window seats? Where is the gap?
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by blackllotus
I've never seen the upper deck of the 747. How does the "escape" work for the window seats? Where is the gap?
Fair bit of misinformation in last couple of pages

Good information that I actually used quite a few pages back.

Curious why you ask, unless you are planning a flight on UD.

DL is retiring 747s at an alarming rate (curious since they regularly buy used old planes), and since UA tends to mimic DL, I'd get a ticket booked ASAP if you want to fly on UD @:-)

And while I've flown (before award mile devaluation) on Thai's A380 in International FC, UD is just somehow special @:-) Not that I didn't enjoy Dom Perignon on Thai
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 10:50 pm
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Wow, I completely missed the last few posts that were on this! Anyways, I'm finally flying on a 747 and am kind of dreading 11.5 hours in E+. I've flown BF internationally once on a 764 and it was real nice. I'm considering treating myself to an experience here but it's mentally rather hard to overcome the price tag.

I asked about the window seat escape because I would definitely choose a window seat and if there were seats where I could get out without climbing over someone then that would be great.

On a separate note, I think I'd enjoy flying backwards. I've taken p.s. redeyes before and the lie-flats go down just a bit too far for my liking. The slightly increased head elevation from lying down backwards sounds appealing.
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by blackllotus
On a separate note, I think I'd enjoy flying backwards. I've taken p.s. redeyes before and the lie-flats go down just a bit too far for my liking. The slightly increased head elevation from lying down backwards sounds appealing.
There are many that swear by sitting in backward seat due to aircraft tilt just because of this.

Forward facing seats tend to be taken first.

Me, I am just happy as long as my u/g clears, especially into UD

OTOH, now that there's power under seat in coach and PDE, coach isn't as bad as it used to be. And yes, I've done my share of flying down below in the back in the dark days ......
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by blackllotus
I've never seen the upper deck of the 747. How does the "escape" work for the window seats? Where is the gap?
The gap is between the back of the seat shell and the fuselage. You sort of leverage yourself over. Nimble and thin really help.

Originally Posted by sb3
You can definitely get out from 14A and 16A. I've never sat in 15A so can't confirm. You can't get out from any of the K seats.
Sorry that's totally incorrect.

There are several 744 UD configurations; on some of them, you can't get out of 14K (due to exit slide), but on most you can. In fact on some of them, it's the easiest seat on the aircraft for the escape. 15K you can get out of on every aircraft I've flown (which I think is most of the current fleet).

Originally Posted by endrond
No, none of them are. And I'm pretty sure there are no BF window seats that don't involve climbing over a seatmate to get out.
That is also totally incorrect. I've done it from 14A, 14K, 15A, 15K, and 16A.

Again, whether you can get out of 14K depends on the configuration of your aircraft.
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Old Feb 12, 2016, 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee

Sorry that's totally incorrect.

There are several 744 UD configurations; on some of them, you can't get out of 14K (due to exit slide), but on most you can. In fact on some of them, it's the easiest seat on the aircraft for the escape. 15K you can get out of on every aircraft I've flown (which I think is most of the current fleet).

Again, whether you can get out of 14K depends on the configuration of your aircraft.
Thanks for the correction on the K seats. You've opened more possibilities for me. How can you tell the configuration when selecting seats? The first few times I flew on the UD, I did a walk through checking all the escape options from forward facing seats and have since stopped. My limited survey must have been all on the same type of configuration.
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Old Feb 12, 2016, 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by sb3
Thanks for the correction on the K seats. You've opened more possibilities for me. How can you tell the configuration when selecting seats?
Given that aircraft assignments are not typically known when you select your seat (and can change right up to departure), if getting out from the window seat is essential, I think the only sure answer is avoid 14K. Although I personally really like that seat and believe that it's blocked on only a handful of aircraft.
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Old Feb 21, 2016, 11:17 am
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Flying round trip ORD - NRT next week. Last second trip so seat choices not great on the return.

Due to this thread, I snagged 2A on the outbound with a GPU. My question is that for the return, GF is sold out as is the UD. That leaves me with the choice of 6A, 9J or 10A. I'm holding 6A for now but would love any opinions. I thought about 10A as it appeared to be in the smaller BF cabin and I've read there's less foot traffic through there. I'm watching the UD like a hawk

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Old Feb 21, 2016, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by RealFan
Flying round trip ORD - NRT next week. Last second trip so seat choices not great on the return.

Due to this thread, I snagged 2A on the outbound with a GPU. My question is that for the return, GF is sold out as is the UD. That leaves me with the choice of 6A, 9J or 10A. I'm holding 6A for now but would love any opinions. I thought about 10A as it appeared to be in the smaller BF cabin and I've read there's less foot traffic through there. I'm watching the UD like a hawk

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Row 6 is better. Rows 9-10 have lots of galley noise and light.
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Old Feb 21, 2016, 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by piemel
Row 6 is better. Rows 9-10 have lots of galley noise and light.
OK, appreciate the insights. I'll keep what I have and continue to monitor the UD.
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by EmailKid
I had the dipleasure of sitting in 9A Sure, better last minute u/g than in the back ...

FAs didn't bother to close the curtain, so had a lovely view of coach
Not that the curtain makes any difference. I was in a similar situation on a UA 772 a year ago, figured that once the curtain closed after takeoff that I would have privacy. But the current curtains are light mesh and completely see-through for security. Even after it was closed I still had 100 people in coach staring at me in the face. (Luckily the plane was not full and so I moved to another BF seat.)
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 5:55 pm
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My wife and I have an upcoming flight on a 744 and I'm currently in 15A/B. Would people recommend 13A/B since there is no one behind you and it's furthest from the galley but not right at the restrooms?
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