Being forced to use the ePassport gates at T5?
#31
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As you're exiting - go watch the people who are monitoring the gates - they are the ones at the back wall that you walk past.
8 or 9 times out of 10 as I walk past they are sitting back arms folded.
So unless they have a foot pedal to control approvals - or there are people somewhere else doing the approvals - the system is automated.
#32
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I think the gates are a lot faster, however most of my flights are into T3, and I'm getting increasingly tired of there being only 4 or 5 gates open and a huge queue forming, particularly if you come in behind an EK flight.
Frustrating to wait there for up to 30 mins with 10 machines closed, and it seems to be becoming more frequent.
Frustrating to wait there for up to 30 mins with 10 machines closed, and it seems to be becoming more frequent.
It would actually be fun to test the system by having 2 persons in a couple swapping passports at the machine and see if that gets noticed. Worst case, trip to the e-gates booth and apologies for passport swap.
#33
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The system works like this.
You put your passport in the reader and stare at the screen. If by virtue of your previous travels, you are on the trusted traveller list, this flashes up on the UKBF officer's screen (they are the guys you see in booths as you exit). Otherwise they look at the live image of you and your passport photo and assess whether you are the same person.
This is far from automatic and certainly not intervention-free self-service.
There are also obvious loopholes in the security of this system, but I am not going to point them out.
Suffice to say, I expect many reading this believe the e-passport gates actually work because in the U.K. we enjoy a press and political scrutiny system which does not hold politicalians to account for total and utter failures.
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#35
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Apparently, during the testing phase, this is the exact scenario [common for husband and wife to use other's passport] that would result in an error quite a bit [ie. open the gate].
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I could guess [and only guess] that they have insufficient Border staff to do the monitoring [see above discussions about human intervention]. I could guess that one operative can only manage a finite number of e-Gates ... ISTR seeing him having about 6 displays on his screen in his little booth.
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Interested by the comments here. I have a new 2017 passport after my last one ran out of pages and like some of you here it just doesn't seem to work on e-gates. I think I've tried 5-6 times and it hasn't worked once.
A few years ago I would go right through on IRIS, then I had a working e-passport and now it takes ages to get through. Luckily I'm not in the UK so much anymore really. Travelling in the US with Precheck and Global Entry is so much more civilized.
A few years ago I would go right through on IRIS, then I had a working e-passport and now it takes ages to get through. Luckily I'm not in the UK so much anymore really. Travelling in the US with Precheck and Global Entry is so much more civilized.
#41
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"Unknown item in the bagging area". No thanks.
#42
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have the HAL employees any authority to force you to use the e-gates? I got grief when returning from Lagos the other week with a colleague who apparently shares a name with a wanted person and regularly gets failed by the e-gates. We just ducked under the tensa barriers and got shouted at. We ignored the yelling but I wonder if he had any actual authority to make us use one particular method of entering our country?
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have the HAL employees any authority to force you to use the e-gates? I got grief when returning from Lagos the other week with a colleague who apparently shares a name with a wanted person and regularly gets failed by the e-gates. We just ducked under the tensa barriers and got shouted at. We ignored the yelling but I wonder if he had any actual authority to make us use one particular method of entering our country?
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Is there some secret algorithm they apply to how many e-passport gates are open? Is it dependent on the types of flights arriving? Purple blazers on duty? Heathrow T2 is a variable as to how many are open it seems to me. They can't all be OOO or can they? If they are it is a high percentage.
#45
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LGW South this morning (~8am) they only had 4 working e-gates, all the others were red x out-of-use. Heathrow on a bad day normally seems to manage more than that!