No PreCheck when flying international
I have managed to get through PreCheck on all of the my domestic flights. All of my international flights have failed - even though my first flight is domestic. Curious to know if that is other's experience and if it is SOP?
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From TSA.gov's Precheck FAQ
Q. Can passengers access TSA Pre✓™ for international travel?
A. No. At this time, TSA Pre✓™ is only available for passengers traveling domestically on participating airlines. If any leg of an itinerary is international, the passenger will not qualify for TSA Pre✓™ for that itinerary and will go through traditional screening. |
Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar
(Post 19695571)
I have managed to get through PreCheck on all of the my domestic flights. All of my international flights have failed - even though my first flight is domestic. Curious to know if that is other's experience and if it is SOP?
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The TSA says it's because "other countries won't cooperate." This is not a rational answer. Last week, I was considered "trusted" flying to Chicago.
This week, I'm taking the same flight but connecting on to Montréal, so I'm no longer "trustworthy." Pistole said, "We're still not comfortable with international travel." It makes no conceptual sense. I don't get it. But once again, the TSA has engendered frustration by its failure to come up with rational explanations for its rules. Later this month, I'll fly from Paris to Dulles and back home. In order to board the flight in Paris, I'll need to have a TSA-approved interview and document check, TSA-approved screening at CDG, TSA-approved secondary screening at CDG, then swipe my Global Entry card at immigration at Dulles. But when I re-clear security, I'm not eligible for PreCheck. How can I be vetted so many times, yet still be ineligible? |
Originally Posted by Mats
(Post 19698747)
then swipe my Global Entry card at immigration at Dulles. But when I re-clear security, I'm not eligible for PreCheck. How can I be vetted so many times, yet still be ineligible?
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I meant swipe my passport... but it's not really a "swipe," more of a scan. I guess I do it without thinking too much about it.
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A. No. At this time, TSA Pre✓™ is only available for passengers traveling domestically on participating airlines. If any leg of an itinerary is international, the passenger will not qualify for TSA Pre✓™ for that itinerary and will go through traditional screening. |
Originally Posted by Mats
(Post 19698747)
The TSA says it's because "other countries won't cooperate." This is not a rational answer. Last week, I was considered "trusted" flying to Chicago.
This week, I'm taking the same flight but connecting on to Montréal, so I'm no longer "trustworthy." Pistole said, "We're still not comfortable with international travel." It makes no conceptual sense. I don't get it. But once again, the TSA has engendered frustration by its failure to come up with rational explanations for its rules. Later this month, I'll fly from Paris to Dulles and back home. In order to board the flight in Paris, I'll need to have a TSA-approved interview and document check, TSA-approved screening at CDG, TSA-approved secondary screening at CDG, then swipe my Global Entry card at immigration at Dulles. But when I re-clear security, I'm not eligible for PreCheck. How can I be vetted so many times, yet still be ineligible? |
I hate it when the Boogeyman is on my flight. I always see BOO/M getting 1B while I'm #7 on the upgrade list.
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Originally Posted by Mats
(Post 19700124)
I hate it when the Boogeyman is on my flight. I always see BOO/M getting 1B while I'm #7 on the upgrade list.
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Originally Posted by PresRDC
(Post 19699667)
There is no rationality to it and there is no rational basis to fear international travel. These rules are made up by people who see te "boogeyman" everywhere and have an irrational fear of non-Americans.
'Cooperate' how? We already have TSA employees enjoying trips abroad and even duty abroad to 'consult' with local airport security and tell them how to bring their standards up to ours, at least for pax on flying US metal to US destinations or over the US or transiting the US. They all jump to our bidding. So what new demands is TSA making to other countries, and what do they have to do with 'expedited' screening? What could TSA possibly want in advance of my flying to allow me expedited screening on an outbound international itinerary? Something smells here. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 19700810)
Well: what does Pistole mean by 'other countries won't cooperate'?
'Cooperate' how? We already have TSA employees enjoying trips abroad and even duty abroad to 'consult' with local airport security and tell them how to bring their standards up to ours, at least for pax on flying US metal to US destinations or over the US or transiting the US. They all jump to our bidding. So what new demands is TSA making to other countries, and what do they have to do with 'expedited' screening? What could TSA possibly want in advance of my flying to allow me expedited screening on an outbound international itinerary? Something smells here. Almost all my travel is international, so I rarely get to use PreCheck.. It's pure B.S. |
I think it is a matter of creating a good image in front of foreigners. If you have, for example, a flight from LAX to LHR, there are going to be both American and British citizens on the flight. If the British passengers see that several of the Americans are receiving special treatment while they have to go through extra steps, they are not going to be very happy, and perhaps the British government might object to discrimination against their citizens as well. On a domestic flight everyone is equal, so it is not an issue. Foreigners on a domestic flight are guests in the country and different treatment may be viewed as more justified.
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Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 19704203)
I think it is a matter of creating a good image in front of foreigners. If you have, for example, a flight from LAX to LHR, there are going to be both American and British citizens on the flight. If the British passengers see that several of the Americans are receiving special treatment while they have to go through extra steps, they are not going to be very happy, and perhaps the British government might object to discrimination against their citizens as well. On a domestic flight everyone is equal, so it is not an issue. Foreigners on a domestic flight are guests in the country and different treatment may be viewed as more justified.
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Originally Posted by LaserSailor
(Post 19699647)
I think that explains it.
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