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US/Canadian-issued ABTC can only be used to access the APEC/Crew/Diplomat lane. It does not replace/waive any visa requirements. Chinese embassy webpages mentioning visa not being required is for ABTC with CHN endorsed on the back. No US/Canadian-issued ABTC will have that endorsement.


Locations confirmed up and running:
AUS
BOS (Logan) only one of the two signature pads was working (late nov 2014)
BOS (Logan) still only 1 signature panel working, and a bit of confusion, but it all worked out (Jan 2015)
CVG (Minneola Pike)
EWR
IAD signature capture working in GE enrollment center; walk-in accepted after appointments accommodated - I was in the office for less than two minutes
IAH (outside security in E, no word on inside security GE office yet)
JFK (walk-in accepted; entrance directly across from Central Diner on arrivals level, T-4)
LAS
LAX
Long Beach, CA (downtown CBP Seaport offices, not LGB airport); posted as No Walk In, but may accommodate just the signature capture
MIA
MCO
ORD
PHX (Terminal 4, behind #6 baggage carousel)
SEA (Nexus office)
SFO (walk-in)
TUS (walk-in accepted)
Washington, DC/Reagan Bldg. walked in, only person there, signature captured, walked out, all within 5 minutes
YYZ (Nexus office)
YVR (Nexus office)

Usage Experience Updates:

BKK - 11/11/14 - success, 03/19/17 - success, 05/10/17 - success
CGK - 02/20/15 - denied (exit), 05/10/17 - success (exit), 08/20/17 - success (entry)
CRK - 10/28/16 - success, but only 30 days, not 59 days for no-endorsement US issued ABTC.
CTU - 03/18/16 - denied -(APAC lane has limited hours)
DMK - 9/20/17 inbound - success, had to go under lane ropes; use Official/Diplomatic, not Crew. No APEC markings.
DPS - 03/08/15 - success but with pushback (exit)
GMP - 09/18/14 - success, 03/18/15 - success (arrival)
HKG - 09/21/14 - success, 02/28/15 - success, 02/29/15 - success (exit), 3/18/17 success, 3/19/17 - success (exit)
HND - 07/30/14 - success
ICN - 09/13/14 - success, 03/24/25 - success (departure)
KUL - 03/10/16 - success
MEX - 06/28/15 - success, 7/11/17 - success
MNL - 11/27/2015 - success (T1) (business visa not necessary for U.S. citizens) 59 days
NRT - 12/1/2014 - success both inbound and outbound immigration (visa not needed)
PEK - 07/25/14 - success (T3)
POM - 11/01/15 - denied, PNG immigration has a sign saying "only endorsed ABTC cards"
PVG - 07/24/14 - success (T2)
SGN - 09/04/2014 - success (visa on arrival), 02/15/2017 - denied (visa on arrival)
SHA - 11/10/2014 - success
SIN - 2/3/2016 - denied, 5/3/2017 - success; 9/16/17 - success at APEC lane
TPE - 07/24/14 - success (T2), 9/30 - success (T1), 10/12 - Denied (T2), 02/24/2015 - success (T1), 5/11 & 5/13 - success (T1)
YUL - 11/2014 - success inbound (repeatedly into 2016 via dip line)
YVR - 06/2015 - success inbound
YYZ - 07/2016 - Success inbound
SCL - 04/02/2017 - Success inbound
LIM - 12/04/2017 - Success inbound

China land crossings from HK:
Lo Wu, Lok Ma Chau, Huanggang, Shenzhen Bay - 09/29/14 reported - success

China Train crossings from HK:
Dongguan and Guangzhou - 09/29/14 reported - success
Hung Hom (Hong Kong's International Train Station) - 04/30/15 - success in both directions

China Seaports from HK/Macau:
Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai and Baoan and and Macau/China ferry terminal in Hong Kong - 09/29/14 reported - success

[On all above China-HK crossings look, to use ABTC to enter/exit China, look for the "Special" counters]

For CGK: Go to line marked 3 on left side just before main immigration hall. If you get to line in main hall you've gone too far. Do not use crew line.


No Working Equipment as of Reported Date:
AMS - 06/03/14 - indicated GEEC outside of U.S. not expected to do ABTC at all
Blaine Nexus office - 6/23/14
Houston downtown city hall office - 07/2014 - no signature reader
PDX - 6/21/14
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Old Jun 12, 14, 10:57 am   #16
  
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thanks for the update guys, but where is the option to apply ABTC though?
I logged in to GOES and clicked manage membership, but not seeing the option to apply for ABTC though.
If you click manage membership, should have menu row and last button is apply for apec, no?
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Old Jun 12, 14, 10:58 am   #17
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APEC Business Travel Card for US Citizens - Now Accepting Applications

Heads up:

As of June 12th, 2014 (today!), CBP is accepting ABTC applications on the GOES website for existing CBP trusted travelers.

I already put mine in and got conditional approval back in less than an hour.
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After you click manage membership (assuming you are existing GE) there should be a row of blue buttons across the top allowing you to replace a card, apply for Netherlands Privium, Korea SES, and APEC Business Travel Card.
I've seen Privium and SES, but not seeing ABTC though....not sure it's because I'm a Nexus member (dual US/Canadian citizen)?

any Nexus member having luck here?
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Old Jun 12, 14, 11:18 am   #19
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I've seen Privium and SES, but not seeing ABTC though....not sure it's because I'm a Nexus member (dual US/Canadian citizen)?

any Nexus member having luck here?
Bug?

According to page 4, US citizen enrolled in NEXUS should be able to apply for ABTC.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014...2014-10767.pdf

Speculation.....Since Canada contracted CBP to issue ABTC for Canadians and I haven't seen anything from CBSA on when they will begin ABTC for Canadians, maybe your Canadian citizenship is causing the ABTC button not to show up.

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Old Jun 12, 14, 11:28 am   #20
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Refer to last discussion in May in this thread. The expectation is that the only benefit is to allow for access to crew/diplomatic lanes in APEC countries.
Thanks for the link, I had followed the original thread for the first couple of years. The APEC card doesn't seem so useful, without the visas to the other countries.
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Old Jun 12, 14, 11:34 am   #21
  
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Bug?

According to page 4, US citizen enrolled in NEXUS should be able to apply for ABTC.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014...2014-10767.pdf

Speculation.....Since Canada contracted CBP to issue ABTC for Canadians and I haven't seen anything from CBSA on when they will begin ABTC for Canadians, maybe your Canadian citizenship is causing the ABTC button not to show up.
maybe that's why, I'm on the phone with GOES tech support. will send an update once I find out from them.
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Old Jun 12, 14, 11:41 am   #22
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maybe that's why, I'm on the phone with GOES tech support. will send an update once I find out from them.
Keep us up to date. I'm thinking that is the problem because GOES isn't programmed to know if you are applying for US ABTC or Canadian ABTC.
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maybe that's why, I'm on the phone with GOES tech support. will send an update once I find out from them.
just got off the phone with GOES tech support, they seem don't know what's going on and couldn't help. just sent an email to GOES and will see what they respond
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Heads up:

As of June 12th, 2014 (today!), CBP is accepting ABTC applications on the GOES website for existing CBP trusted travelers.

I already put mine in and got conditional approval back in less than an hour.
Thanks for the info. Took them long enough to get to this point, and will do the same as you.
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Thanks for the link, I had followed the original thread for the first couple of years. The APEC card doesn't seem so useful, without the visas to the other countries.
APEC card is not a replacement for visas to countries that you would need visas for.

It is a special priority lane that is less crowded and some airport part of the crew lanes.

In my situation the arrival airports that APEC is useful are TPE, MNL and BKK.
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APEC card is not a replacement for visas to countries that you would need visas for.

It is a special priority lane that is less crowded and some airport part of the crew lanes.

In my situation the arrival airports that APEC is useful are TPE, MNL and BKK.
It should be noted that while US and Canada ABTCs are not expected to be a visa "replacement", ABTC cards from APEC countries other than US and Canada can replace a visa if pre-cleared by foreign APEC countries.
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It should be noted that while US and Canada ABTCs are not expected to be a visa "replacement", ABTC cards from APEC countries other than US and Canada can replace a visa if pre-cleared by foreign APEC countries.
As a 8+yr APEC card holder your pre-clear application is like the business visa application.
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just got off the phone with GOES tech support, they seem don't know what's going on and couldn't help. just sent an email to GOES and will see what they respond
called the GOES tech support again and spoke to their supervisor...not a pleasant experience...she kept on saying it's not launched yet, said maybe your friend applied directly thru APEC org. I kindly told her it's not possible, I told her maybe it's because I'm dual citizenship and asked her to check on it...she said i'm not listening to her and she just hung up on me...very bad experience....
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APEC card is not a replacement for visas to countries that you would need visas for. It is a special priority lane that is less crowded and some airport part of the crew lanes.
So VOA remains for Indonesia and Vietnam.

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In my situation the arrival airports that APEC is useful are TPE, MNL and BKK.
This is very helpful. In Taipei, normal foreigners lines are jammed with tourists from China. For Bkk, this is almost as good as priority pass line, right?

Thanks
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Old Jun 12, 14, 7:32 pm   #30
  
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So VOA remains for Indonesia and Vietnam.

This is very helpful. In Taipei, normal foreigners lines are jammed with tourists from China. For Bkk, this is almost as good as priority pass line, right?

Thanks
For US APEC yes you need visa for Indonesia and Vietnam.

BKK it is a priority line.

Taiwan: I use my Canadian passport because my APEC is out of HK.
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