Hajj, A Journey of a Lifetime: An Insiders Look
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Quite exceptional. ^
Thank you for sharing such an intimate, and deeply religious, experience with us all.
Those of us of other faiths have little idea of the implications on the Hajj, simply that 'it exists'. You have given us an amazing insight into what is required of a individual to undertake the journey.
Thank you for sharing such an intimate, and deeply religious, experience with us all.
Those of us of other faiths have little idea of the implications on the Hajj, simply that 'it exists'. You have given us an amazing insight into what is required of a individual to undertake the journey.
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Thanks so much for providing a window into this tradition. It seems to have a good balance of communal and individual activities. I think this question is relevant to the experience but if too OT, mods can delete... How does the Saudi government and the tour groups handle different sects within Islam? Clearly there are lots of rules everyone must follow, but every now and then you hear stories about certain groups wanting to practice a conservative / strict Sharia interpretation at Hajj. I guess I'm wondering if any sects are not welcome and about the extent of segregation within the compounds. In any case, it seems like people gravitate towards whatever sect they prefer while avoiding the others?
Also I make the following comment very respectfully, hoping you understand that it's an observation perhaps discolored by my own cultural context... The account of hundreds dying from errant stones only a few years ago sounds barbaric, as well as your own experience of enduring serious health risks to fulfill a religious duty. I realize that it's billed as a "rite of passage" whereby "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger," but it appears to an outsider like an environment where adhering to the letter of the law trumps common sense. I don't understand the logic that God is honored by people following rules at the expense of protecting the human lives he created. With that said, it does sound like some improvements to the experience are taking place. Thank you again for the report!
Also I make the following comment very respectfully, hoping you understand that it's an observation perhaps discolored by my own cultural context... The account of hundreds dying from errant stones only a few years ago sounds barbaric, as well as your own experience of enduring serious health risks to fulfill a religious duty. I realize that it's billed as a "rite of passage" whereby "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger," but it appears to an outsider like an environment where adhering to the letter of the law trumps common sense. I don't understand the logic that God is honored by people following rules at the expense of protecting the human lives he created. With that said, it does sound like some improvements to the experience are taking place. Thank you again for the report!
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Amazing Trip Report - Masha'Allah
Bro--that was an amazing trip report--my coworkers were asking me left and right about Hajj, and i pointed out your TR. Great work on describing the rituals and the process. I personally did Umrah a couple years back, but Hajj is a whole different atmosphere.... May your Hajj be accepted, and I hope you have returned safely and healthy. MY dad came back with that cough and lasted like 2 weeks. Eid Mubarak!
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Isaifan, you have done a great job (and a good deed!) in sharing your journey with FT readers.
I was especially interested in your observations about the spiritual meaning of the pilgrimage. As you put it, "people were reflecting and hoping that the purpose of the Hajj, to be forgiven and start anew, would be fulfilled."
You and your wife certainly partook of the whole experience, but I wonder, at the end of the pilgrimage, how all this impacted you personally on a spiritual level?
Thank you again for letting us be a part of your experience of a lifetime!
I was especially interested in your observations about the spiritual meaning of the pilgrimage. As you put it, "people were reflecting and hoping that the purpose of the Hajj, to be forgiven and start anew, would be fulfilled."
You and your wife certainly partook of the whole experience, but I wonder, at the end of the pilgrimage, how all this impacted you personally on a spiritual level?
Thank you again for letting us be a part of your experience of a lifetime!
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Kingarthur.
Usually different sects in Islam have there different compounds but in general they all follow the same ritual. Few years ago, people from a certain country tried to use the Hajj for political goals, this was met with a strong response and it was made very clear that such moves are not acceptable, people are there for one reason and one reason only.
Imagine over 2 million moving at the same time from one place to another, that's a logistical nightmare, accident do happen, usually from people being trampled by other people, or a fire in a compound, every year brings more improvement in security by opening new roads and tunnels, new fire prevention measures etc...
Never heard of hundred of peoples dying from errant stones, usually the stones are as small as pebbles, injuries are common yes but that was before the opening of the improved site.
It is very astonishing that while all this people from all over the world, are there in the same area for about a week the recorded incident of fights or crimes is very much less than the end of a single football/soccer match. People are there for those few days to accomplish one thing, and a lot of them went through a lot of sacrifice to get there.
One event i will never forget, a son carrying his old mother and walking few miles to get to Arafah, the smile never left his face.
Usually different sects in Islam have there different compounds but in general they all follow the same ritual. Few years ago, people from a certain country tried to use the Hajj for political goals, this was met with a strong response and it was made very clear that such moves are not acceptable, people are there for one reason and one reason only.
Imagine over 2 million moving at the same time from one place to another, that's a logistical nightmare, accident do happen, usually from people being trampled by other people, or a fire in a compound, every year brings more improvement in security by opening new roads and tunnels, new fire prevention measures etc...
Never heard of hundred of peoples dying from errant stones, usually the stones are as small as pebbles, injuries are common yes but that was before the opening of the improved site.
It is very astonishing that while all this people from all over the world, are there in the same area for about a week the recorded incident of fights or crimes is very much less than the end of a single football/soccer match. People are there for those few days to accomplish one thing, and a lot of them went through a lot of sacrifice to get there.
One event i will never forget, a son carrying his old mother and walking few miles to get to Arafah, the smile never left his face.
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Isaifan
Thank you for an excellent report. You did a great job trying to describe the atmosphere of those few days where millions of people gather to accomplish a spiritual trip.
That cough, we all suffered from it, my own explanation and i might be wrong, is that the change of climate few times during the day from air conditioning rooms to a strong heat outside the tents.
The Saudi government is trying it best and learning new lessons every year and improving the logistics of hosting so many people at the same time in the same place.
Less and less each year people dying from incidents during the Hajj.
Again thank you.حج مبروك وذنب مغفور تقبل الله منكم ومنا صالح الأعمال
The above writing in Arabic is the usual wishes to whoever accomplish the Hajj ritual wishing them that God accept there Hajj and forgive there sins.
Thank you for an excellent report. You did a great job trying to describe the atmosphere of those few days where millions of people gather to accomplish a spiritual trip.
That cough, we all suffered from it, my own explanation and i might be wrong, is that the change of climate few times during the day from air conditioning rooms to a strong heat outside the tents.
The Saudi government is trying it best and learning new lessons every year and improving the logistics of hosting so many people at the same time in the same place.
Less and less each year people dying from incidents during the Hajj.
Again thank you.حج مبروك وذنب مغفور تقبل الله منكم ومنا صالح الأعمال
The above writing in Arabic is the usual wishes to whoever accomplish the Hajj ritual wishing them that God accept there Hajj and forgive there sins.
#53
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At Geneva Airport I often see people going on Haj dressed in white.
They seem to fly on Egyptair and not Saudia everytime I see them.
It seems that Saudia would be more convenient.
A Muslim friend of mine told me the prices are extremely expensive. However he is Ismaeli and they don't go on the Haj.
They seem to fly on Egyptair and not Saudia everytime I see them.
It seems that Saudia would be more convenient.
A Muslim friend of mine told me the prices are extremely expensive. However he is Ismaeli and they don't go on the Haj.
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Thanks for taking the time to write this up. What makes this outstanding, is that it focuses on what you did on your travels, not just the movies on the plane etc...
Just a few questions:
1) Is there any criticism that it is so expensive to do this?
2) Were there any members of Nation of Islam that you could see?
3) Would a single woman go on their own?
4) Do people bring children? Are children allowed to go?
Thanks again!
Just a few questions:
1) Is there any criticism that it is so expensive to do this?
2) Were there any members of Nation of Islam that you could see?
3) Would a single woman go on their own?
4) Do people bring children? Are children allowed to go?
Thanks again!
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Wow, many thanks for sharing. I can only echo what has been said before, and I cannot even fathom what the logistics must be to manage so many people.
And your photos were stunning, thank you.
And your photos were stunning, thank you.
#56
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By the way I want to add to my previous comment that your report was fantastic / very educational.
Lastly, I had read that they are building many expensive condominiums in Mecca and that there has been some criticism of this.
Thank you.
Lastly, I had read that they are building many expensive condominiums in Mecca and that there has been some criticism of this.
Thank you.
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Thanks for the response! What you said makes sense and I can see why people would be attracted to an experience that unifies that many people, dangers and lack of creature comforts aside. We are all searching for greater meaning in life. So the passion of this TR report strikes a chord, especially given the emptiness of self-focused and materialistic western culture. Faith and objective truth are not always easy to reconcile. But it's a noble cause to transcend culture in pursuit of both.
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Fantastic and unique report of a place very few get to see! I flew on LH FRA-JED-FRA last year and there were many Umrah pilgrims on the flight. It took me awhile too to get through immigration. I didn't get to see any more of Saudi other than Jeddah.