Just download KVS Diamond..still trying to learn all this..I am trying to find some fares from GOT-IAD, GOT-EWR, GOT-JFK. How do I get to the point as shown above with the fare and the taxes?
After using the [Fares] tab to retrieve the fare list, double-click a specific fare and select Routing Rules.
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First of all I understand that the situation described below may be extremely rare, so if it is difficult to fix the issue I would not insist.
Situation: search of fares DEL-MOW. The case in point is DEL-MOW/YY/YIF.
Problem: fare rules (TVN) and routing rules are incorrectly shown for the cheaper fare.
Possible reasons for an error:
a) there are two different YY/YIF fares with different global indicators (FE and EH), different prices and difference mileage allowance (MPM)
b) KVS is not able to specify the GI in the request and obtains something with default settings
Unexplained: the eligibility rules (TVN method) mention some strange restrictions which do not seem to relate to both fares at all (Greek seaman/ government orders).
Possible solution: possibility to specify GI (with "default" settings by default to avoid questions from newcomers, EH, AT etc) would possibly solve the problem.
a) there are two different YY/YIF fares with different global indicators (FE and EH), different prices and difference mileage allowance (MPM)
b) KVS is not able to specify the GI in the request and obtains something with default settings
Correct, there are 2 different YIF fares one with an FE GI and the other with an EH GI. ExpertFlyer apparently now shows the GI when you look at a fares routing or fare rules.
First of all I understand that the situation described below may be extremely rare, so if it is difficult to fix the issue I would not insist.
Situation: search of fares DEL-MOW. The case in point is DEL-MOW/YY/YIF.
Problem: fare rules (TVN) and routing rules are incorrectly shown for the cheaper fare.
Possible reasons for an error:
a) there are two different YY/YIF fares with different global indicators (FE and EH), different prices and difference mileage allowance (MPM)
b) KVS is not able to specify the GI in the request and obtains something with default settings
Unexplained: the eligibility rules (TVN method) mention some strange restrictions which do not seem to relate to both fares at all (Greek seaman/ government orders).
Possible solution: possibility to specify GI (with "default" settings by default to avoid questions from newcomers, EH, AT etc) would possibly solve the problem.
The GI can only be specified in the MPM queries, so you can obtain MPM for each routing type:
GI M 5M 10M 15M 20M 25M
MPM FE 3231 3392 3554 3715 3877 4038
MPM EH 5452 5724 5997 6269 6542 6815
The permitted GI forms a part of the fare rules -- it is something that is retrieved (based on the Fare Basis), and not something that is requested.
Airlines should not be filing different fares with the same Fare Basis (which is the case here). When they do (and this very rare), it causes confusion and system issues, which you are experiencing...
Well, one of the problems is that you cannot know what the GI for the specific fare is from KVS fare display and MPM table is not of any help here. Except for this and exact base fare in a country specific currency routing rules are useless for an IATA (or any other MPM) fare. But I am still concerned with fare rules. It looks like DotRes rules are OK [not a full text rule though], while TVN shows something totally unrelated. Any chance to tie fare rules with a specific fare in KVS?
By the way, BKK-MOW, for example, has 12 IATA fares (shown in KVS), 4 fares to each class of service with same fare basis, so it looks like the restriction not to publish same fare bases does not apply to the industry fares.
Note: fare/ routing rules also do not seem to be available for an IATA fare at all in case the airline chooses to change the first letter of the fare basis to primary booking code [this is done by an airline's request to Sabre]. Example is MOW-DEL/KE/SIF where 'Y' is forced to be replaced by 'S' by KE.
Well, one of the problems is that you cannot know what the GI for the specific fare is from KVS fare display and MPM table is not of any help here.
To get the GI for a specific fare, you need to refer to the Routing Rules display (as long as the fare is correctly filed with a unique Fare Basis code):
DELMOW-YY 15NOV09 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0004 RULE ESAS
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS INR NUC PTC FT GI
CIF R 271975 5594.12 ADT NL EH
CIF R 271975 5594.12 CNN NL EH
CIF R 271975 5594.12 UNN NL EH
CIF/IN90 R 27200 559.40 INF NL EH
CIF R 271975 5594.12 INS NL EH
BOOKING CODES ENTER>S E SPECIFIC AIRLINE FARES DISPLAY.
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BU - BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
MPM - EH 5452 VIA EASTERN HEMISPHERE
---------------------------------------------------------------
MPM CONSULT ROUTINGS TARIFF
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keter
Except for this and exact base fare in a country specific currency routing rules are useless for an IATA (or any other MPM) fare.
For MPM-based fares, you get the GI and the MPM (as shown above) -- what else could it possibly display for a non-routing-based fare?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keter
But I am still concerned with fare rules. It looks like DotRes rules are OK [not a full text rule though], while TVN shows something totally unrelated. Any chance to tie fare rules with a specific fare in KVS?
This is not something that can be done -- the underlying systems cannot properly function without a unique Fare Basis code for each separate fare.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keter
By the way, BKK-MOW, for example, has 12 IATA fares (shown in KVS), 4 fares to each class of service with same fare basis, so it looks like the restriction not to publish same fare bases does not apply to the industry fares.
They can certainly do it, but it does cause issues, which you are experiencing here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keter
Note: fare/ routing rules also do not seem to be available for an IATA fare at all in case the airline chooses to change the first letter of the fare basis to primary booking code [this is done by an airline's request to Sabre]. Example is MOW-DEL/KE/SIF where 'Y' is forced to be replaced by 'S' by KE.
Yes, in which case you would need to retrieve Fare Rules using the actual Fare Basis Code:
ECONOMY PROMOTIONAL
[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
SEAMAN FARE - GREECE - GOVERNMENT ORDERS - TO/FROM GREECE
APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP
FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP
JOURNEYS. OTHER CONDITIONS FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE
DEPARTURE. EXCEPTION - MAY BE USED FOR ENROUTE UPGRADING FROM A LOWER
FARE PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE MET. PASSENGER EXPENSES
NOT PERMITTED. - FOR SECTORS NOT FLOWN ON A PARTICIPATING CARRIER
ASSESS FULL APPLICABLE FARE WITHOUT THE REDUCTION.
[ELIGIBILITY]
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SEAMAN OF THE GREEK MERECHANT
MARINE AND ACCOMPANYING SPOUSE / SEAMAN OF GREEK NATIONALITY
AND ACCOMPANYING SPOUSE. THE SEAMAN CONCERNED MUST EITHER BE TRAVELLING
TO REPORT FOR DUTY ON A SHIP OR BE REPATRIATED FROM THEIR SHIP. -
DOCUMENTATION - THE SHIPPING COMPANY OR ITS AGENT MUST SUBMIT A WRITTEN
STATEMENT CERTIFYING THAT THE SEAMAN IS TRAVELLING TO MAN A SHIP
OR IS BEING REPATRIATED. ATTACH STATEMENT TO AUDIT COUPON OF TICKET.
[DAY/TIME]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[SEASONALITY]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY BA FLIGHT
ANY CX FLIGHT ANY CI FLIGHT ANY EK FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KM FLIGHT
ANY LG FLIGHT ANY LO FLIGHT ANY NE FLIGHT ANY PR FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT
ANY SQ FLIGHT ANY TP FLIGHT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR
AUTOPRICING. AND CORRESPONDING NATIONAL CARRIERS OF THE COUNTRIES SERVED
BY OA.
[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
NO ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[MINIMUM STAY]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[MAXIMUM STAY]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER
DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
[STOPOVERS]
STOPOVERS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT INTERMEDIATE POINTS.
[TRANSFERS]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SECTORS
PERMITTED EXCEPT FOR PRICING UNITS WITHIN/BETWEEN US AND CANADA
- INCLUDING PR/USV1 - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK IS NOT PERMITTED.
[COMBINATIONS]
OPEN JAW/ROUND TRIP/CIRCLE TRIP AND END-ON-END COMBINATIONS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
MIRROR IMAGE COMBINATIONS ARE PERMITTED.
[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
[SURCHARGES]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
NO SALES RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[PENALTIES]
NO PENALTIES APPLY.
[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.
[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET
DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS
BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11
- CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT
PERCENT. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST
BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY AT LEAST 1 BUT NO MORE THAN 1 ADULT
PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE
75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - NOTE
- TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED INFANT
NOT PERMITTED. EXCEPTION - UNACCOMPANIED INFANTS MAY BE ACCEPTED FOR
TRANSPORTATION PROVIDED PRIOR ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE TRANSPORTING
CARRIER OR CARRIERS. THE CHARGE SHALL BE BE 100 PERCENT OF
THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE.
[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
[FARE BY RULE]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - VALID FOR OTHER
GROUPS OF 5 PASSENGERS MAXIMUM. VALID FOR SEAMAN GOVERNMENT ORDER GREECE
PSGR. ID REQUIRED AT TICKETING. THE FARE WAS CALCULATED AS 55 PERCENT
OF THE ROUND-TRIP YIF FARE. NO HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT CHECK
IS APPLIED TO THIS FARE. APPLY FARE BY RULE RULES TO THIS FARE FOR CATEGORIES:
50-RULE APPL 01-ELIGIBILITY 04-FLIGHT APPL 07-MAX
STAY 08-STOPOVERS 09-TRANSFERS 10-COMBINATIONS
11-BLACKOUTS 12-SURCHARGES 13-ACCOMP TRAVEL 14-TRAVEL RESTR
15-SALES RESTR 16-PENALTIES 18-TICKET ENDO 19-CHILDREN
DISC 20-TOUR COND DISC 21-AGENT DISC 22-ALL OTHER DISC 23-MISC
PROVISIONS 26-GROUPS 27-TOURS 28-VISIT A COUNTRY 29-DEPOSITS
35-NEGOTIATED FARES APPLY BASE FARE RULES TO THIS
FARE FOR CATEGORIES: 02-DAY/TIME 03-SEASONS 05-ADV RES/TKTG
06-MIN STAY
[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
[VOLUNTARY CHANGES]
NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.
[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
To get the GI for a specific fare, you need to refer to the Routing Rules display (as long as the fare is correctly filed with a unique Fare Basis code):
DELMOW-YY 15NOV09 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0004 RULE ESAS
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS INR NUC PTC FT GI
CIF R 271975 5594.12 ADT NL EH
CIF R 271975 5594.12 CNN NL EH
CIF R 271975 5594.12 UNN NL EH
CIF/IN90 R 27200 559.40 INF NL EH
CIF R 271975 5594.12 INS NL EH
BOOKING CODES ENTER>S E SPECIFIC AIRLINE FARES DISPLAY.
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BU - BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
MPM - EH 5452 VIA EASTERN HEMISPHERE
---------------------------------------------------------------
MPM CONSULT ROUTINGS TARIFF
My point was that for the lower YIF fare (via FE) the routing rules cannot be retrieved in KVS at all [the rules which show up are for the higher fare], hence you can only guess (or ask a TA) what GI is to be used.
My point was that for the lower YIF fare (via FE) the routing rules cannot be retrieved in KVS at all [the rules which show up are for the higher fare], hence you can only guess (or ask a TA) what GI is to be used.
That is correct: For fares, which cannot be uniquely identified via a Fare Basis code (e.g. due to incorrectly-filed fares), you can only view basic Fare information and not Fare/Routing rules.
If using Availability with WSPAN or APPOLO u get a "Datasource error" with some type of pricing and fare buckets info for just one flight within the error message.
Sabre and Galileo appear to work
If using Availability with WSPAN or APPOLO u get a "Datasource error" with some type of pricing and fare buckets info for just one flight within the error message.
Sabre and Galileo appear to work
A hotfix for [WSpan: ITN] & [Apollo: ITN] has just been released -- pls download V5.1.5.
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