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Originally Posted by BigLar
Had an interesting experience a couple of years ago at a *wood in Calgary.
When you turn the TV on, it is tuned to the porno channel. When you surf off to another channel, you can never get back there - you have to turn off the TV and turn it on again to get your kicks.
Not all that concerned about the availability of porno in hotels, but I can imagine mommy telling the 9 year old to go look for Sesame Street on TV while mommy and daddy unpack, and then having to answer the questions.
I don't mean to derail the thread from "should hotels SHOW porn" to "should they advertise that they do", becasue if I say that hotels shouldn't subject porn commercials upon people who don't want their kids to see them I'm sure I'd be flamed for denying somebody the ability to advertise a product....
I would say I sympathize with BigLar--
In a Starwood/Westin I stayed in recently, the commercial for their porn ppv's came on whenever you turned on the T.V. No way to stop it, it took a while for the remote to change the channel from it, etc. Some might say, "And the problem with that would be?????" Anywho, if a person didn't want to see or hear it, or they didn't want their kids to see or hear it, they had no choice. I didn't have little kids with me at the time, but would not have wanted to be in the same kind of situation BigLar refers to.
I don't mean to derail the thread from "should hotels SHOW porn" to "should they advertise that they do", becasue if I say that hotels shouldn't subject porn commercials upon people who don't want their kids to see them I'm sure I'd be flamed for denying somebody the ability to advertise a product....
I would say I sympathize with BigLar--
In a Starwood/Westin I stayed in recently, the commercial for their porn ppv's came on whenever you turned on the T.V. No way to stop it, it took a while for the remote to change the channel from it, etc. Some might say, "And the problem with that would be?????" Anywho, if a person didn't want to see or hear it, or they didn't want their kids to see or hear it, they had no choice. I didn't have little kids with me at the time, but would not have wanted to be in the same kind of situation BigLar refers to.
Those that want to watch it responsibly should have it available. It should not "pop-up" when the TV is activated. Parents should... Oh, never mind, that's a different thread!
I would say I sympathize with BigLar--
In a Starwood/Westin I stayed in recently, the commercial for their porn ppv's came on whenever you turned on the T.V. No way to stop it, it took a while for the remote to change the channel from it, etc. Some might say, "And the problem with that would be?????" Anywho, if a person didn't want to see or hear it, or they didn't want their kids to see or hear it, they had no choice. I didn't have little kids with me at the time, but would not have wanted to be in the same kind of situation BigLar refers to.
Funny, that's how I feel about religious programming. I wouldn't want my kids to see or hear it.
Somehow anything having to do with sex has been blown up into some huge bogeyman, so that any exposure to it is a major incident and people are expected to bend over backwards to avoid any tiny bit of sexuality to accidentally leak out into the world. (It brings to mind the preposterous uproar over the exposure of Janet Jackson's breast for a couple of seconds on the Super Bowl broadcast.)
Me, I don't like seeing a lot of stuff, like the aforementioned religious programming, stupid cable TV commercials with bad production values, right-wing ranting idiots, left-wing ranting idiots, etc., but I wouldn't ever ask a hotel chain to change their TV setup to get rid of those things.
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I don't understand this thought - since there's also a lock that can be placed on the television for younger viewers...speaking of younger viewers -
They are more apt to find porn on the web in their own kitchens than in a hotel room since the majority of hotels that have "adult" videos in the rooms cater to mostly a business type clientele.
In addition, has anyone seen the type of porn? Most, not all, but most in the United States are soft core and only show breasts and buttocks (which, by the way is VERY frustrating....did I say that out loud?).
These people need to get themselves out of their double-wide and get a job!
How hard would it be to tell someone on check-in, "Here is your room number, rate, key, etc. and if you want to block the adult content on your TV, here's the code you can enter on your TV menu"? The same code could even be used to toggle back and forth between block/unblock. I think that would address the concerns of a lot of the "average people" who object to it.
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Originally Posted by SptCA
I don't care what adults do in the privacy of their hotel rooms. But I do think anyone who wants to watch porn should have to either punch in a specific series of buttons or a code number so that porn will not inadvertantly come up on the TV of someone (like my 5 year old) who is surfing for something else. We stayed at one hotel last summer where if you left the TV on the PPV channels (porn and non-porn) for more than 3 minutes, the movie would automatically start. Not a good system from a parent's perspective.
In most hotels you should be able to ask the front desk clerk block access, as far as I know. Give it a try. And if they can't do it, suggest that they add this feature for next time. But they should be able to.
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Somehow anything having to do with sex has been blown up into some huge bogeyman, so that any exposure to it is a major incident and people are expected to bend over backwards to avoid any tiny bit of sexuality to accidentally leak out into the world. (It brings to mind the preposterous uproar over the exposure of Janet Jackson's breast for a couple of seconds on the Super Bowl broadcast.)
I was in Montreal a couple years back and one of the museums had a giant two story photo or realistic painting of a fully naked man looking from the feet up. Every time I saw it I kept thinking that if it were in the US people would be running around with their arms over their heads screaming bloody murder.
Yet the rest of the world isn't so terrified and seems to get along fine.
In most hotels you should be able to ask the front desk clerk block access, as far as I know. Give it a try. And if they can't do it, suggest that they add this feature for next time. But they should be able to.
Why should the burden of blocking the porn be on the people who don't want it? I'm not interested in porn, so it doesn't even occur to me when I check into a hotel to ask about it - until my son is channel surfing for a kids' show while I pack and he gets an eyeful. In many places it is illegal to sell/distribute porn to minors, shouldn't the same law that applies to retailers apply to hotels? I think if adults want it, they should have to explicitly (pun intended!) request it.
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Originally Posted by Doppy
I was in Montreal a couple years back and one of the museums had a giant two story photo or realistic painting of a fully naked man looking from the feet up. Every time I saw it I kept thinking that if it were in the US people would be running around with their arms over their heads screaming bloody murder.
Yet the rest of the world isn't so terrified and seems to get along fine.
I see a huge difference between teaching a child to appreciate the beauty of the human form in fine art and showing him movies of adults having sex.
Why should the burden of blocking the porn be on the people who don't want it? I'm not interested in porn, so it doesn't even occur to me when I check into a hotel to ask about it - until my son is channel surfing for a kids' show while I pack and he gets an eyeful. In many places it is illegal to sell/distribute porn to minors, shouldn't the same law that applies to retailers apply to hotels? I think if adults want it, they should have to explicitly (pun intended!) request it.
Why should the burden be on those who want to watch it? As most of the time hotels are occupied by adults, my guess is that the overwhelming majority of people don't want to have the porn blocked; it's only a minority of some parents who care.
You're the parent, the burden of taking care of your child as you see fit is on you, not everyone else.
You're the parent, the burden of taking care of your child as you see fit is on you, not everyone else.
As a parent, I do not want my child (a five-year-old daughter) surfing regular TV unsupervised, let alone porn. But I agree with Doppy: it is my responsibility to supervise my child. In fact, I would be offended if anyone else (the government, some hotel, some representative of a religion to which I do not subscribe) thought that it were their job to do it for me.
As to hotel pay-per-porn, I am perfectly comfortable with the approach taken by most systems (certainly by both OnCommand and LodgeNet), which (1) require determination (i.e., multiple click-through screens) to reach the porn, minimizing the chance that you or a child will stumble on it by accident, and (2) prominently display an option allowing each guest to opt out.
So let them boycott those chains. If enough people care about the issue, those hotels will experience a decline in patronage (and revenue) and discontinue the movies.
That's my view. If a boycott affects a hotel's revenue, the hotel will amend its offerings. If the hotel's revenues aren't affected, then the current programming will stay. Let the marketplace decide.
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Why should the burden be on those who want to watch it? As most of the time hotels are occupied by adults, my guess is that the overwhelming majority of people don't want to have the porn blocked; it's only a minority of some parents who care.
You're the parent, the burden of taking care of your child as you see fit is on you, not everyone else.
Maybe the burden should be on the hotels to comply with obscenity laws - in many places, it is illegal to sell or distribute porn to children. How is having porn freely and easy available on TV's in hotel rooms different than handing it to kids at the corner store? Or are you suggesting that children should be completely banned from watching hotel TV sets because the TV's are really just for adults?
And it isn't just just for my child's sake that I think access to porn should be limited to adults who opt in to watch it - if I turn on the TV to look for a weather report, I don't want to see 2 adults screwing.
Porn is a product - those ADULTS who want it should have to order it/purchase it.
Maybe the burden should be on the hotels to comply with obscenity laws - in many places, it is illegal to sell or distribute porn to children. How is having porn freely and easy available on TV's in hotel rooms different than handing it to kids at the corner store?
Parents can block porn PPV from hotel TVs. Porn is also freely available in newsstands. Magazines only have plastic wrap around them. Are you suggesting that porn should not be sold in newsstands because idle kids can easily tear the plastic wrap in order to browse at the unpaid for magazine?
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Porn is a product - those ADULTS who want it should have to order it/purchase it.
That's exactly the way it's set up. I've never seen a hotel PPV system that would permit a child to stumble onto porn by accident. A child who knew what he or she was doing could, however, order it. And if your children are of an age where they might just do that, protect your children by disabling the feature that allows you to order it.
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And it isn't just just for my child's sake that I think access to porn should be limited to adults who opt in to watch it - if I turn on the TV to look for a weather report, I don't want to see 2 adults screwing.
And if somebody wants to watch two adults screwing, they don't want to see a weather report.
Porn is a product - those ADULTS who want it should have to order it/purchase it.
Generally it is... the only reports I think on this thread where it wasn't, came from outside the US, where attitudes to porn can be somewhat different. And if you are outside the US, you may just have to accept that the attitudes to sexuality and nudity are very, very different from what is the norm in the US.
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