My opinion is that these people would serve society 100 times better if they focused their energy on helping those who they purport are hurt by pornography. The fact of the matter is that adult pornography is legal.
I couldn't care less one way or the other if hotels offered these movies. I never turn on a television when I'm in a hotel room except maybe to watch the news. These zealots want to impose their "morals" where it is completely none of their business and they waste the time and resources of businesses who have to confront this hysteria.
And I didn't vote for him either! But THEY did. It seems "these people" were able to stuff the 2004 ballot boxes, worse than they hung Florida's chads in 2000! The only good thing the current extended first family has done, is depart Texas! You need your bushes back...
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And I didn't vote for him either! But THEY did. It seems "these people" were able to stuff the 2004 ballot boxes, worse than they hung Florida's chads in 2000! The only good thing the current extended first family has done, is depart Texas! You need your bushes back...
I voted for HIM and am a “conservative libertarian” but doubt HE would care if adults watched porn in their hotel rooms.
If you don’t like it, turn it off! (Oh yea, that’s what THEY did to Sen. Scary ) BTW, the only people stuffing ballot boxes were those whose party has the history of doing it and their motto is “ Vote twice and vote often.”
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My husband and I, who are churchgoing Christians in the AARP age range, (gasp!) occasionally enjoy these movies on our vacations. (Well, vacations are for R&R, right?) So, obviously, I don't think they should be banned.
I do think, however, that there should be an easy way to cut off access as soon as you get into the room. (Not at check- in: if someone is asked, "Do you want us to turn off the porn channels?", how many would have the guts to say, "NO"?) There was a thread here months ago from someone whose kids (age 8-10 range) turned on the TV in the hotel room in Europe and found a porn channel with (I'm putting this delicately) some interesting variations of sexuality that the parents had not planned to bring up at their tender ages. Yes, there were a lot of observations about how the parents shouldn't have plopped them in front of the TV unsupervised, but I still think that porn should be something available only to adults, and require consent.
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Had an interesting experience a couple of years ago at a *wood in Calgary.
When you turn the TV on, it is tuned to the porno channel. When you surf off to another channel, you can never get back there - you have to turn off the TV and turn it on again to get your kicks.
Not all that concerned about the availability of porno in hotels, but I can imagine mommy telling the 9 year old to go look for Sesame Street on TV while mommy and daddy unpack, and then having to answer the questions.
This happened to my 7 year old in Quebec hotel last year. We arrived in our room, I went to take a shower and she began to surf for a show, she very soon started shouting for me, me in the shower wet shouted back "YEs dear, Mummy'll be there in a tick". Well guess what, the 7 year old had been watching a very x rated movie of about 20 people engaged in group sex. Well she sure learned a lot that day and I spent most of my evening explaining why some people have group sex and why some people like to watch other people have group sex. But quite frankly it was more education than she needed.
In that hotel thare were 3 sex channels freely accessible by all with no charges or access codes. I was a little gobsmacked and did complain.
However I have no problem with pay movies of any kind, or special access codes for adult programming. If people want to watch other folks have sex it doesn't change my life at all. But it should not be on open access channels.
a) Pornography is legal
b) It's aired in private rooms, not in shop windows
c) Those who want it should be able to have it
d) Don't tell me what I should/shouldn't watch and I won't preach the same rubbish back
I can't remember where I read this, but supposedly about half of the PPV revenue from in-room movies is from the adult selections. I would imagine that many hotels would find it not profitable to install a PPV system if half the revenue went away.
I haven't read through all seven pages of this thread, so I apologize if this already has been discussed.
As I understand it, the current economics of in-room PPV are that all of the hardware, often including the TVs themselves, is provided by the PPV provider (typically OnCommand or LodgeNet, the two largest providers). There is then a revenue-sharing arrangement between the PPV provider and the hotel, with the majority going to the PPV provider (who has incurred significant upfront costs to provide the hardware and has to share the revenue with the studio from whom they've licensed the movie).
I don't think that in-room PPV generates significant revenues for hotels. Rather, hotels like it because (1) it doesn't cost the hotels anything to have it, (2) the hotels believe (probably correctly) that guests consider PPV an attractive amenity (probably largely, but not exclusively, because of the porn option), and (3) in generates some revenue, albeit perhaps not a huge amount.
All of that said, hotels would like not to lose the revenue provided by pay-per-porn, but it wouldn't cause hotels to pull, or not install, systems, unless of course it led the PPV providers to restructure the economics of PPV systems.
People who order PPV are upteen times more likely to order room service as well.
The hotel makes a killing off PPV and i think the current stats say 70% of all PPV purchases are porn.
My favorite is the case in Utah where a local adult video rental owner was taken to cort on indecency and comunity values etc. His lawer pointed out that the Marriott across the street had these movies and the case was tossed.
The putz in our area is Phill Burress of CCV or Citizens for Comunity Values.
He has blackmailed the local Marriots in Cincinnati into removing PPV porn titles or list the properties on their website. These guys also have the local Krogers remove publications "they" feel are offensive.
What scares the hell out of me is that Bush and the FCC appear to be close to buying in.
The putz in our area is Phill Burress of CCV or Citizens for Comunity Values.
He has blackmailed the local Marriots in Cincinnati into removing PPV porn titles or list the properties on their website. These guys also have the local Krogers remove publications "they" feel are offensive.
I would boycott any hotel or other establishment that sucumbs to this pressure.
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The putz in our area is Phill Burress of CCV or Citizens for Comunity Values. He has blackmailed the local Marriots in Cincinnati into removing PPV porn titles or list the properties on their website. These guys also have the local Krogers remove publications "they" feel are offensive.
When I was at UC in 1971-1975, Simon Leis was the Guardian of the Public Morals. (But we still managed to sneak in 6 showings of "The Devil in Miss Jones" on campus when he was out of town one weekend.)
How hard would it be to tell someone on check-in, "Here is your room number, rate, key, etc. and if you want to block the adult content on your TV, here's the code you can enter on your TV menu"? The same code could even be used to toggle back and forth between block/unblock. I think that would address the concerns of a lot of the "average people" who object to it.
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Plenty of hypocrisy all around. Hotel chains would like to distance themselves from the product but can't resist the revenue, and the moral-values crowd will often say one thing and do another. I think the hotels get flak from both the Bible-thumpers and those who want XXX rather than X.
With DVD players becoming smaller and more common, the answer might be to let people bring their own portable players and RF modulators, as well as their own burned DVD backups. Because of the revenue thing, though, something tells me that won't happen without a fight.
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My favorite is the case in Utah where a local adult video rental owner was taken to cort on indecency and comunity values etc. His lawer pointed out that the Marriott across the street had these movies and the case was tossed.
The putz in our area is Phill Burress of CCV or Citizens for Comunity Values.
He has blackmailed the local Marriots in Cincinnati into removing PPV porn titles or list the properties on their website. These guys also have the local Krogers remove publications "they" feel are offensive.
What scares the hell out of me is that Bush and the FCC appear to be close to buying in.
I don't care what adults do in the privacy of their hotel rooms. But I do think anyone who wants to watch porn should have to either punch in a specific series of buttons or a code number so that porn will not inadvertantly come up on the TV of someone (like my 5 year old) who is surfing for something else. We stayed at one hotel last summer where if you left the TV on the PPV channels (porn and non-porn) for more than 3 minutes, the movie would automatically start. Not a good system from a parent's perspective.
I voted for HIM and am a “conservative libertarian” but doubt HE would care if adults watched porn in their hotel rooms.
If you don’t like it, turn it off! (Oh yea, that’s what THEY did to Sen. Scary ) BTW, the only people stuffing ballot boxes were those whose party has the history of doing it and their motto is “ Vote twice and vote often.”
I certainly respect your choices and opinions, and will fight to defend them. But this country was founded because of religious persecution. The US Constitution demands separation of state and church...
None-the less, I agree with you that porn is a viable revenue and entertainment source for a hotel, and should be available to those that choose to responsibly watch it. Personally, I feel most hotels charge too much for the service (and my company won't re-imburse me!). That said, I bring my own movies/DVD player to enjoy whatever movies I want to watch (Eduardo in Dessert Train is so hot!), in the privacy of my room. Yes, my laptop plays DVD's but the sound quality isn't so good!
I'm on your side!
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If you dont like it, turn it off. Save a brain cell!
but doubt HE would care if adults watched porn in their hotel rooms. 
) BTW, the only people stuffing ballot boxes were those whose party has the history of doing it and their motto is “ Vote twice and vote often.”
Nothing more to say.
