I have never been in a hotel room where you don't have to go through a series of menus to get any PPV programming.
Except in Las Vegas and perhaps one or two other properties in the United States, I agree with this statement.
However, in places such as Canada (Québec, specifically, as mentioned earlier in this thread) and many countries in Europe, for example, one can turn on the television to find programming which some may find objectionable and offensive without having to first go through a series of menus. In fact, the television programs in question can often be found on the free television channels in hotel locations outside of the United States, especially late at night.
You gave the remote to the kid. And you assumed the hotel knew who was watching the porn?
And, what if the hotel had a "special" code to view "that" channel, and your kid accidently bumped those buttons on the remote...
As many typos as we all see & make in FT, your point is severely weak (and sad! ).
They are your kids, you watch them! A hotel is not a substitute parent for your inept skills .
OK, Does anyone even read the content of my messages before posting a reply? In some posts, people are just making up facts of their own (I gave a remote to my kid, I'm an inept parent), while others state flat out falsehoods (most hotels will block the porn if you just ask them, or you won't see the porn if you don't order it, or simply by entering the room one can sense the tv can tune to porn in the same way one can smell cigarette smoke).
Let me try again. I had the remote and was turning from channel to channel to see what was on. I had not ordered porn nor did I know the hotel even offered it. Just going throught the channels, I came across a channel with HARD CORE porn. No notice at all, one channel was fine, the next one had hard core porn. Spread eagle; close up of female genitals penetrated digitally; full male and female nudity. I hope thats not too graphic for this board but I'm saying I was offended because I don't watch porn. You talk about your freedom.... what about my freedom to not see that. All those who keep saying, well if you don't want to watch porn, have the hotel block it or don't watch it if you don't like porn. In the instance I described, what choice did I have but to see it? Where was my freedom FROM seeing porn? I presume, obviously incorrectly, that hard core porn wouldn't be on my tv unless I ordered it. I am thankful that a kid was NOT in my room at the time. What if a minor kid of mine saw what I did against my wishes? OTownJack, that has NOTHING to do with my responsibility as a parent because it was taken out of my hands by the irresponsible hotel.
OTownJack, don't put words in my mouth. Where do you see I gave the remote to a kid? (I didn't) Where do you see I even had a kid in my room? (I didn't) Did you even bother to go back and read my other posts? Before calling me inept, why don't you get your facts straight. Where did I say that parents don't have responsibilty for their kids? (I didn't).
What I want to know is why no one on here expects any level of accountability on the hotels part at all. I don't think I've read one single post where someone says, yes the hotel should take at least minimal actions so kids or "religious nuts" like some like to refer to us as don't have to see porn if they don't want to.
I hope you hold gun sellers more responsible for who they sell guns to than you do hotels who they distibute porn to. Or tobacco sellers more responsible for who they sell tobacco to...
I don't think you have any more "freedom from seeing porn" on TV than I have the freedom not to see other things (as recited previously, TV preachers, Jerry Springer, political ranting, inane commercials, etc.) on TV.
There would be a substantial cost in reconfiguring hotel TV systems to require viewer consent for every specific type of programming, whether it's porn or something else. (Of course, you want it just to be for porn, since that's your hot button issue.) I wouldn't think of asking the hotel to indulge my preferences for not being exposed to things I don't like on TV for a few seconds. It's a mark of maturity and self-confidence to just get over things like that.
I had the remote and was turning from channel to channel to see what was on. I had not ordered porn nor did I know the hotel even offered it. Just going throught the channels, I came across a channel with HARD CORE porn. No notice at all, one channel was fine, the next one had hard core porn. Spread eagle; close up of female genitals penetrated digitally; full male and female nudity. I hope thats not too graphic for this board but I'm saying I was offended because I don't watch porn. You talk about your freedom.... what about my freedom to not see that. All those who keep saying, well if you don't want to watch porn, have the hotel block it or don't watch it if you don't like porn. In the instance I described, what choice did I have but to see it? Where was my freedom FROM seeing porn?
I couldn't believe how this thread could still be going after all this time ... but now I see.
Er, mrbluesky, from where do you derive your "freedom not to see porn"? What is wrong with moving on swiftly if your channel surfing reveals some? The same as moving on swiftly if you see some other offensive stuff - eg the Jerry Springer example, which IMO is usually much more offensive?
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Let me try again. I had the remote and was turning from channel to channel to see what was on. I had not ordered porn nor did I know the hotel even offered it. Just going throught the channels, I came across a channel with HARD CORE porn. No notice at all, one channel was fine, the next one had hard core porn. Spread eagle; close up of female genitals penetrated digitally; full male and female nudity. I hope thats not too graphic for this board but I'm saying I was offended because I don't watch porn. You talk about your freedom.... what about my freedom to not see that. All those who keep saying, well if you don't want to watch porn, have the hotel block it or don't watch it if you don't like porn. In the instance I described, what choice did I have but to see it? Where was my freedom FROM seeing porn? I presume, obviously incorrectly, that hard core porn wouldn't be on my tv unless I ordered it.
There is no freedom from being offended in this society. The choice you had upon seeing it was to turn it off. This is exactly the same freedom you would have if you ran across the same scene in an alley, the freedom to turn away.
I agree with you that it should not have been unlocked, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal. The same scene happens behind closed doors all the time, but since they are closed, it is none of your business.
I am against hotels offering porn in hotel rooms because you don't have to choose it in order to view it. We've read many examples here of where people turn the set on and instantly see porn. I am all for free speech, but where is my freedom FROM watching porn when I turn the TV on and porn is shown?
Sorry. I'm not betting on this pony. Hotels do typically have locks. If you've found some without locks, then you should lobby for that. The fact that you want to ban porn and not lobby for locks means, at the very least, that you have another agenda. Bad pony. Disingenuous.
OK, Does anyone even read the content of my messages before posting a reply?
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Let me try again. I had the remote and was turning from channel to channel to see what was on. I had not ordered porn nor did I know the hotel even offered it. Just going throught the channels, I came across a channel with HARD CORE porn. No notice at all, one channel was fine, the next one had hard core porn.
And do you read the suggestions of those who are trying to help you? You seem like you are on a crusade instead of finding a solution to your aversion of easy accessibility to porn.
Let ME try again. The next time you check into a hotel, go to the room first and turn on the TV and tell your child to turn around, go to the bathroom, whatever. If when you turn on the TV you instantly see men spread eagle doing explicit sexual deeds to each other (I'm assuming homosexual porn is as repulsive to you as heterosexual), then turn off the TV, call the front desk and find another room.
I have never stayed in any US hotel with sex as readily available on TV as MSNBC. Perhaps you need to contact the hotels in advance to see what kind of blocks are set up. If you find a hotel with blocks and it is not set up in that room, then call the front desk. Frankly, hotels make additional revenue on "adult" programming so the fact that you found it available free of extra fees will be something in their interest to block as well.
Yet it seems you care little about alleviating the direct problem. You want to crusade against PPV availability in hotel rooms.
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I think Mr. Bluesky might be expressing a desire to have better warning labels, prior to opening up Pandora's Box. It is possible he drew a comparison to smoking since cigarette packages now come with exterior warnings.
Although I am not convinced that a glimpse or even more than a glimpse of porn is, in and of itself, harmful to children,
*Mr. Bluesky is free to believe so.*
That he apparently does, does *not* constitute his maintaining that his viewpoint is 'more important' than anyone else's, as it seems some have accused him of doing. But *even if he did believe his point is 'better'*,
this would make him guilty of arrogance, but it would *not* mean that his point(s), in and of themselves, have been proven wrong.
I note, too, that when it comes to self-importance, that Mr. Bluesky might not be the only fox here with feathers on his mouth. Since when did any of us demonstrate our modesty and humility by deeming our 'humble' opinions worthy of being published on a public messageboard?!
Okay, back to the issue at hand....
Bluesky, what might make your point wrong is that a hotel room is likely not considered to be in the public domain, at least not to the extent that a movie theatre or video store or store that sells cigarettes is. I think we can safely assume that many activities that are not deemed fit to be performed in public, which is to say in theatres, smokeshops and video stores - are performed all the time within the sanctity of a hotel room . (We shall assume, for the sake of the argument, that we can use 'sanctity' and 'hotel room' in the same breath without laughing, which most people would if they saw some of the hotel rooms I've stayed in. )
In addition, remember that the more obligations and responsibility parents and other adults demand that the state enforce, the more of their own autonomy and authority the parents and other adults surrender to the state, at one and the same time. This isn't necessarily a desirable situation for parents or even just anyone concerned by this or that aspect of society.
And do you read the suggestions of those who are trying to help you? You seem like you are on a crusade instead of finding a solution to your aversion of easy accessibility to porn.
Not a crusade.
For my whole life up till 2 years ago, I peacefully coexisted with the porn viewing world without giving it two thoughts. I had no lofty aspirations of depriving them of their 7 minutes of viewing pleasure (still don't). It would, after all, be futile in that porn is available everywhere to all adults. But then it showed up on my screen without any action on my part. I guess you can say it invaded my space, got a little to close for comfort. What's wrong with me asking for some controls on their part so it doesn't happen TO ME again? Some responsibility in who they distribute it to?
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I have never stayed in any US hotel with sex as readily available on TV as MSNBC. Perhaps you need to contact the hotels in advance to see what kind of blocks are set up. If you find a hotel with blocks and it is not set up in that room, then call the front desk.
I don't think you have any more "freedom from seeing porn" on TV than I have the freedom not to see other things (as recited previously, TV preachers, Jerry Springer, political ranting, inane commercials, etc.) on TV.
One would assume that while routinely scrolling through tv channels, you could EXPECT to see TV preachers, Jerry Springer, political rantings, inane commercials, but should one expect to see hard core porn?
I am against hotels offering porn in hotel rooms because you don't have to choose it in order to view it.
First, in response to your accusation that no one is reading the contents of your posts before responding, I think this is a function of two things: (1) another FTer did post of giving his/her child the remote and the child stumbling upon porn, so I suspect some posters may be confusing the two of you, and (2) sometimes people are so anxious to respond that they read posts too quickly. I find I do the same sometime (and probably will do the same now, since I have not gone back and read all of the posts in this ever expanding thread).
That said, the above quote does come from you. You had one unfortunate in-hotel porn experience, and your response is to suggest that hotels should not be able to offer porn. In the same post, you state:
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How about a 10 to 15 second delay warning you that you are about to access porn, giving you the right to opt out? How about having porn disabled from any room where the hotel knows a minor child will be staying in the room? There are countless things hotels can do, and as of now they have shown NO willingness to do anything. To their shame, making a dollar is more important to them. Till they have shown themselves to be more responsible with porn, they should not be allowed to have it.
In fact, most (perhaps not all, but most) systems (1) have an opt-out option prominently displayed on the PPV menu, (2) require the hotel guest to click through multiple screens in order to purchase porn, and (3) have a 10- to 15-second delay before the movie starts with a warning about what the viewer is about to see. (Ok, I admit it, I have some experience here. I also have done finance work in the past with one of the larger providers of in-room entertainment systems.) So to suggest that the industry has "shown NO willingness to do anything" is ludicrous.
You had an unfortunate experience. It should not have happened. The hotel in question should fix their system. But what happened does not support the accusations you have made about hotel's motivations (yes, they want to make a buck, that's precisely why they're in business, but I don't think any of them think that offending guests is the way to do it), nor does it support your conclusion that hotels should not offer porn to those who want it.
If you are worried about being exposed to Porn, unplug the TV and give the front dest the tv remote. If you encounter a hotel that does not block the porn from your tv set, stay at a different hotel next time.
The whole puritan anti pron/sex thing boggles my mind. There are so many other things on TV that are more harmful to you. I guess the puritans speak up about the evils of porn becuase they are afraid that other people might be having more fun than themselves.
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