If denied entry to a country - return to origin or okay to fly elsewhere?
Aug 23, 2017, 10:30 pm
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If denied entry to a country - return to origin or okay to fly elsewhere?
This situation is specifically for China, but wondering if it applies there, anywhere else, or across the board?
I was talking to someone who had been denied entry at PEK due to a past visa issue. The airport agents kept telling him he has to fly back to the city of his origination. He really wanted to be able to fly from PEK back to the US instead. Is that possible, or do visa restrictions forbid it? (I have not heard yet what actually happened.)
I was talking to someone who had been denied entry at PEK due to a past visa issue. The airport agents kept telling him he has to fly back to the city of his origination. He really wanted to be able to fly from PEK back to the US instead. Is that possible, or do visa restrictions forbid it? (I have not heard yet what actually happened.)
Aug 24, 2017, 12:39 am
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Not sure what's done in practice, though most stories I've heard involve the airline shipping the passenger back to the originating airport. But I'm not sure if this is one of those things that's defined by the Montreal or Warsaw Conventions.
I'd have this person check the Conditions of Carriage for his airline.
Some example language:
Qatar
https://qatarairways.zendesk.com/hc/...ns-of-Carriage
KLM
https://www.klm.com/travel/us_en/cus...e_16_to_20.htm
Icelandair
http://www.icelandair.us/servlet/fil...s-of-Carriage-
China Airlines
https://www.china-airlines.com/sea/e...cm60-11451.pdf
I'd have this person check the Conditions of Carriage for his airline.
Some example language:
Qatar
https://qatarairways.zendesk.com/hc/...ns-of-Carriage
3. Refusal of Entry
You agree to pay the applicable fare whenever we, on government order, are required to take you to your point of origin or elsewhere, owing to your inadmissibility into a country, whether of transit or of destination. We may apply to the payment of such fare any funds paid to us for unused Carriage, or any of your funds in our possession. We will not refund the fare collected for carriage to the point of refusal of entry or deportation.
You agree to pay the applicable fare whenever we, on government order, are required to take you to your point of origin or elsewhere, owing to your inadmissibility into a country, whether of transit or of destination. We may apply to the payment of such fare any funds paid to us for unused Carriage, or any of your funds in our possession. We will not refund the fare collected for carriage to the point of refusal of entry or deportation.
https://www.klm.com/travel/us_en/cus...e_16_to_20.htm
18.3 Refusal of Entry
If a Passenger is refused entry into a territory, they must pay all the charges or fines imposed on the Carrier by the local authorities, as well as the Fare Including Tax for carriage if the Carrier, due to a government order, is required to return the Passenger to his/her departure location or elsewhere. The price of the Ticket purchased for carriage to the destination for which entry to the territory was refused shall not be refunded by the Carrier. For reasons of safety and good order the captain and/or the escorting police may hold the relevant travel documents of the Passenger under its custody during the flight to his place of departure or elsewhere.
If a Passenger is refused entry into a territory, they must pay all the charges or fines imposed on the Carrier by the local authorities, as well as the Fare Including Tax for carriage if the Carrier, due to a government order, is required to return the Passenger to his/her departure location or elsewhere. The price of the Ticket purchased for carriage to the destination for which entry to the territory was refused shall not be refunded by the Carrier. For reasons of safety and good order the captain and/or the escorting police may hold the relevant travel documents of the Passenger under its custody during the flight to his place of departure or elsewhere.
http://www.icelandair.us/servlet/fil...s-of-Carriage-
13.3 REFUSAL OF ENTRY
If the passenger is denied entry into any country, the passenger will be responsible to pay any fine or charge assessed against Carrier by the Government concerned and for the cost of transporting the passenger from that country. The fare collected for carriage to the point of refusal or denied entry will not be refunded by Carrier.
If the passenger is denied entry into any country, the passenger will be responsible to pay any fine or charge assessed against Carrier by the Government concerned and for the cost of transporting the passenger from that country. The fare collected for carriage to the point of refusal or denied entry will not be refunded by Carrier.
https://www.china-airlines.com/sea/e...cm60-11451.pdf
14.3 Refusal of Entry
The Passenger agrees to pay the applicable fare whenever CAL, on government order, is required to return a Passenger to his or her point of origin or elsewhere, owing to the Passenger's inadmissibility into a country, whether in transit or at the final destination. CAL may apply to the payment of such fare any funds paid to CAL for unused carriage, or any funds of the Passenger in the possession of CAL. The fare collected for carriage to the point of refusal of entry or deportation will not be refunded by CAL.
The Passenger agrees to pay the applicable fare whenever CAL, on government order, is required to return a Passenger to his or her point of origin or elsewhere, owing to the Passenger's inadmissibility into a country, whether in transit or at the final destination. CAL may apply to the payment of such fare any funds paid to CAL for unused carriage, or any funds of the Passenger in the possession of CAL. The fare collected for carriage to the point of refusal of entry or deportation will not be refunded by CAL.
Aug 24, 2017, 3:30 am
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This situation is specifically for China, but wondering if it applies there, anywhere else, or across the board?
I was talking to someone who had been denied entry at PEK due to a past visa issue. The airport agents kept telling him he has to fly back to the city of his origination. He really wanted to be able to fly from PEK back to the US instead. Is that possible, or do visa restrictions forbid it? (I have not heard yet what actually happened.)
I was talking to someone who had been denied entry at PEK due to a past visa issue. The airport agents kept telling him he has to fly back to the city of his origination. He really wanted to be able to fly from PEK back to the US instead. Is that possible, or do visa restrictions forbid it? (I have not heard yet what actually happened.)
I've seen this happen at PVG and PEK. I've also seen this happen at various airports as a passenger and otherwise in various other countries. It very frequently is return to point of origin of the flight on which the person arrived, but sometimes they allow for travel to a third country. It can go either way, and some of it depends on the persons involved and some other details.
Aug 24, 2017, 7:44 pm
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I was involved in a case where a Canadian guy was caught smuggling hash in a birdcage flying from Kathmandu to Amsterdam.
Immigration refused entry into the Netherlands and was going to send him on his way to Canada but the airlines refused to take him without payment. He wasn't able to pay and couldn't reach anyone to make the payment.
They sent him back to Nepal and faxed Nepali immigration explaining he was refused entry for smuggling hash. The Nepalis jailed him for a year.
Immigration refused entry into the Netherlands and was going to send him on his way to Canada but the airlines refused to take him without payment. He wasn't able to pay and couldn't reach anyone to make the payment.
They sent him back to Nepal and faxed Nepali immigration explaining he was refused entry for smuggling hash. The Nepalis jailed him for a year.
Aug 25, 2017, 8:04 am
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I was talking to someone who had been denied entry at PEK due to a past visa issue. The airport agents kept telling him he has to fly back to the city of his origination. He really wanted to be able to fly from PEK back to the US instead. Is that possible, or do visa restrictions forbid it? (I have not heard yet what actually happened.)
To reach the international departure zone, you have to pass Chinese exit immigration checkpoints. They want to see the boarding pass. They stamp it. Before entering the aircraft, security officials want to see the stamp.
If Chinese entry immigration officers have refused entry into China, then I don't where you'll end up. I doubt you'll be allowed to choose by yourself to which intl destination you'll fly on to.
Aug 25, 2017, 9:40 am
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We are talking about PEK.
To reach the international departure zone, you have to pass Chinese exit immigration checkpoints. They want to see the boarding pass. They stamp it. Before entering the aircraft, security officials want to see the stamp.
If Chinese entry immigration officers have refused entry into China, then I don't where you'll end up. I doubt you'll be allowed to choose by yourself to which intl destination you'll fly on to.
To reach the international departure zone, you have to pass Chinese exit immigration checkpoints. They want to see the boarding pass. They stamp it. Before entering the aircraft, security officials want to see the stamp.
If Chinese entry immigration officers have refused entry into China, then I don't where you'll end up. I doubt you'll be allowed to choose by yourself to which intl destination you'll fly on to.
Aug 25, 2017, 11:01 am
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It seems like the only reasonable option is to send you back to the airport you boarded the flight from.
If you were refused entry to the 3rd country as well, they would return you to the country that previous denied you entry. Then the problem once again is in the hands of the country that initially denied you entry.
If you were refused entry to the 3rd country as well, they would return you to the country that previous denied you entry. Then the problem once again is in the hands of the country that initially denied you entry.
Aug 27, 2017, 7:56 pm
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It seems like the only reasonable option is to send you back to the airport you boarded the flight from.
If you were refused entry to the 3rd country as well, they would return you to the country that previous denied you entry. Then the problem once again is in the hands of the country that initially denied you entry.
If you were refused entry to the 3rd country as well, they would return you to the country that previous denied you entry. Then the problem once again is in the hands of the country that initially denied you entry.
Aug 28, 2017, 3:14 am
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I don't know how PEK is set up, but I would imagine that the passenger is escorted to wherever he/she needs to go for departure. However, it appears that others (and CoC's) suggest that it is possible to select a different destination, provided you have the proper visas/meet entry requirements and you are able to pay for it on the spot.
If some do the arrangements right in front of them, they let some proceed to the transit/departure facility.
Aug 28, 2017, 7:38 am
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I was involved in a case where a Canadian guy was caught smuggling hash in a birdcage flying from Kathmandu to Amsterdam.
Immigration refused entry into the Netherlands and was going to send him on his way to Canada but the airlines refused to take him without payment. He wasn't able to pay and couldn't reach anyone to make the payment.
They sent him back to Nepal and faxed Nepali immigration explaining he was refused entry for smuggling hash. The Nepalis jailed him for a year.
Immigration refused entry into the Netherlands and was going to send him on his way to Canada but the airlines refused to take him without payment. He wasn't able to pay and couldn't reach anyone to make the payment.
They sent him back to Nepal and faxed Nepali immigration explaining he was refused entry for smuggling hash. The Nepalis jailed him for a year.
Aug 28, 2017, 9:29 am
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Quite a while ago, a friend of mine was coming from USA to Brazil in 2000 and was denied entry in Brazil due to some visa issue. At the time they allowed him to go to Argentina to fix the issue and come back.
Aug 28, 2017, 9:33 am
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This was literally my first thought.
My 2nd thought was that I didn't realize a KTM-AMS flight existed. A few years ago I looked at all reasonable routings to KTM and settled on DEL-KTM as the final segment. Other options at the time were Asian or ME3 carriers. If nonstops to Europe existed, they weren't on my dates or I just completely missed them.
My 2nd thought was that I didn't realize a KTM-AMS flight existed. A few years ago I looked at all reasonable routings to KTM and settled on DEL-KTM as the final segment. Other options at the time were Asian or ME3 carriers. If nonstops to Europe existed, they weren't on my dates or I just completely missed them.
Aug 28, 2017, 12:18 pm
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I think generally speaking if you are a citizen of a country other than the one you have just flown in from they would normally allow you to travel there at your own expense. I don't think making these arrangements at PEK or any Chinese airport would be easy though.