Asked to move to keep the plane's weight balanced??
Jun 10, 2017, 10:00 am
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Jun 10, 2017, 11:40 am
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CRJ-200's are probably the worst when it comes to W&B issues. They are almost always nose heavy, so the answer is to move people to the back. Cargo helps too, but when people don't have enough checked or valet bags there has to either be weight added to the cargo or sometimes it's easier and quicker to ask for someone from the front to go to the back. Fuel loading plays a factor as well. The higher the fuel load the CG will move aft as well. But on short flights they won't carry as much fuel.
Jun 10, 2017, 12:51 pm
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I've been moved back to front once--**very** light load and they misloaded our cargo. They moved us all up into the premium seats and headed out--but turned back before takeoff because the numbers said it wasn't enough. They loaded a weight into the cargo bay and off we flew. Typical 6-across plane, I forget what type.
Jun 10, 2017, 1:12 pm
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The CRJ and E145 have only one cargo compartment and it is in the tail. This doesn't give any of the loading flexibility that is available on airplanes with both forward and aft under-floor cargo bins. All cargo, checked, and carry-on bags must go in the aft cargo compartment leaving nothing left to adjust but the passenger's seating.
Jun 10, 2017, 3:30 pm
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I've been moved back to front once--**very** light load and they misloaded our cargo. They moved us all up into the premium seats and headed out--but turned back before takeoff because the numbers said it wasn't enough. They loaded a weight into the cargo bay and off we flew. Typical 6-across plane, I forget what type.
That happened to me one time as well on an AA MD-80... very light load and they moved everyone up front.
Jun 10, 2017, 3:46 pm
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a long time ago, we were flying out of BVI on a small, 4 engine plane that i cannot find. loading was from the rear. the plane was a little over half full. everyone sat in the rear. the tail went down. the pilot came out, and rearranged the passengers. the pilot was the president of the airline. the tail came off the ground, and we flew to soju with no incidents.
plane had 4 Lycoming engines.
plane had 4 Lycoming engines.
Jun 10, 2017, 7:52 pm
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The only 6-across plane with tail-mounted engines I can think of is the 727. (It must have been tail-mounted because that's the only time a very light load requires moving everyone up front as a 737 or like would be front-heavy if everyone sat up front)
That happened to me one time as well on an AA MD-80... very light load and they moved everyone up front.
That happened to me one time as well on an AA MD-80... very light load and they moved everyone up front.
Jun 11, 2017, 9:25 am
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The CRJ and E145 have only one cargo compartment and it is in the tail. This doesn't give any of the loading flexibility that is available on airplanes with both forward and aft under-floor cargo bins. All cargo, checked, and carry-on bags must go in the aft cargo compartment leaving nothing left to adjust but the passenger's seating.
Jun 11, 2017, 4:14 pm
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I once read a baby jet tech sheet IIRC on the CRJ regarding weight and balance. I was surprised that high tech jets use a low tech method. If the balance needs to be shifted, the ground crews stock sand bags which are added to the cargo bin as needed to balance the plane.
Having only a single cargo compartment limits your flexibility.
Jun 11, 2017, 7:19 pm
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Was about to say/post I thought the 747 linked was an issue with major cargo shifting rearward during take off.
Jul 9, 2017, 5:32 pm
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Recently I was asked to move from the second seat in the front to the back of an Air Canada CRJ plane flying from YYZ to RDU in order to balance the plane's weight according to the FA. The plane was almost completely full. I am 6 feet, 185 lbs. This sounds crazy to me?? Am I wrong or did the FA have a case?
The CRJ and E145 have only one cargo compartment and it is in the tail. This doesn't give any of the loading flexibility that is available on airplanes with both forward and aft under-floor cargo bins. All cargo, checked, and carry-on bags must go in the aft cargo compartment leaving nothing left to adjust but the passenger's seating.
I once read a baby jet tech sheet IIRC on the CRJ regarding weight and balance. I was surprised that high tech jets use a low tech method. If the balance needs to be shifted, the ground crews stock sand bags which are added to the cargo bin as needed to balance the plane.
Jul 10, 2017, 8:21 am
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CRJ-200's are probably the worst when it comes to W&B issues. They are almost always nose heavy, so the answer is to move people to the back. Cargo helps too, but when people don't have enough checked or valet bags there has to either be weight added to the cargo or sometimes it's easier and quicker to ask for someone from the front to go to the back. Fuel loading plays a factor as well. The higher the fuel load the CG will move aft as well. But on short flights they won't carry as much fuel.