Why not board from the tail (and tow in instead of out)?
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Why not board from the tail (and tow in instead of out)?
This is something I've wondered about for a little while. Why aren't airports / operations designed to tow an aircraft into the gate, and to allow boarding from the tail?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
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This is something I've wondered about for a little while. Why aren't airports / operations designed to tow an aircraft into the gate, and to allow boarding from the tail?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
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The precision required for a plane to pull in perpendicular to the gate, then have the tug back it in, while turning, to hit the exact spot (withing 10 ft or so) for the jetway would be very challenging and likely time consuming. When pushing back, the plane has the entire tarmac to back/turn into, with no precision requirements. Jet thrust away from the gate, firing right at the terminal/windows/etc, is probably also a bad idea.
Last edited by CPRich; Sep 23, 2016 at 7:56 am
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Reasons above, but also 1st class passengers don't want to walk any farther than necessary and must be at the front. Making them walk the entire distance of the plane won't fly.
Plus the costs of ground crews with towing skilz needed for both arrival and departure and breakage when little rocks are thrown into the airport waiting area glass ... cleaning the soot from the buildings and windows ... there are just lots of reasons that facing forward makes more sense.
Plus the costs of ground crews with towing skilz needed for both arrival and departure and breakage when little rocks are thrown into the airport waiting area glass ... cleaning the soot from the buildings and windows ... there are just lots of reasons that facing forward makes more sense.
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For my virgin australia domestic flights in australia, jetways weren't used
people walked out to tarmac, and boarding using front and rear doors using stairs
faster
the safe parts of the tarmac were roped off for passengers (maybe 20feet around wing/engine), so you walked around the wing. there were workers watching for your safety
anything could be done... but tail isn't that nice (as compared to the front)
people walked out to tarmac, and boarding using front and rear doors using stairs
faster
the safe parts of the tarmac were roped off for passengers (maybe 20feet around wing/engine), so you walked around the wing. there were workers watching for your safety
anything could be done... but tail isn't that nice (as compared to the front)
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This is something I've wondered about for a little while. Why aren't airports / operations designed to tow an aircraft into the gate, and to allow boarding from the tail?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...nt-rear-2.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...rear-door.html
As well as powerback from the gate:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...own-power.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...se-thrust.html
You may want to peruse the above for existing answers and experiences.
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In the early days of jetways, they were built straight out from the terminal and the planes would pull up parallel to the terminal. If the plane was long enough and the space was available, they would use 2 jetways-one for the front and one for the rear.
As airports started to become more crowded and more gates were needed, someone had the bright idea to turn the planes perpendicular to the terminal with the jetways now able to roll up to the side of the plane. Remember, it's more about utilizing the limited real estate the airports have to move as many passengers and planes as possible in the quickest time possible.
As airports started to become more crowded and more gates were needed, someone had the bright idea to turn the planes perpendicular to the terminal with the jetways now able to roll up to the side of the plane. Remember, it's more about utilizing the limited real estate the airports have to move as many passengers and planes as possible in the quickest time possible.
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This is something I've wondered about for a little while. Why aren't airports / operations designed to tow an aircraft into the gate, and to allow boarding from the tail?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
Then I wondered if the thrust from most engines is too great, so that it cannot be directed toward the terminal, and so that it would require a second tow out.
Is that the reason?
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Don't forget that at some airports like O'hare that they don't sometimes even use ramp agents in certain cases when the plane pulls up to the gate. The new automated parking guidance system tells a pilot how far they need to drive in and left/right by the automated signs attached to the terminal. Backing up they wouldn't be able to see these signs. Majority of time it is used when there is weather or ramp agents are backed up but still the future of what will probably come of aircraft parking as technology evolves and labor costs are cut.
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If you back the airplane in, you have to get the tail past the jetway to get to the aft hatch. This probably means that the jetway has to come farther out into the "courtyard" (for lack of a better term) *AND* the extending part of the jetway, that mates with the airplane, has to be significantly longer.
At one point, WN was experimenting with dual jetways at Love Field, to use both hatches. The second jetway had to go up, to go over the wing, and back down to the hatch. I stopped flying WN before I heard about the results. (I was only flying WN between DAL and AUS. At the beginning of 2001, I fell into a deal on a very-low-mileage 1999 Corvette, and driving between Dallas and Austin suddenly became enjoyable enough that I stopped flying that route.)
At one point, WN was experimenting with dual jetways at Love Field, to use both hatches. The second jetway had to go up, to go over the wing, and back down to the hatch. I stopped flying WN before I heard about the results. (I was only flying WN between DAL and AUS. At the beginning of 2001, I fell into a deal on a very-low-mileage 1999 Corvette, and driving between Dallas and Austin suddenly became enjoyable enough that I stopped flying that route.)
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Not sure if this is still the case since I don't live in DC anymore - but when I used to frequent the DCA/LGA US Airways Shuttle, they would always board and deplane from both doors - in fact at one point I recall this being part of the marketing material to demonstrate how quickly and efficiently they'd have you out the plane and to the curb for your meeting.