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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.

Old May 29, 2016, 4:35 pm
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From the the 1979 Pan Am annual report.....

"Ten years ago (in 1969) - when aviation fuel was ten cents a gallon - Pan Am operated 131 707s and was the largest operator of that aircraft type in the world. Now that the average price of fuel is approaching a dollar a gallon ...
I believe that although jet fuel for much of the 1990s bounced around USD 0.50/gal, spiking up to USD 4.00 in 2008 and still USD 3.00 two years ago, we are now back down to USD 1.00, around the same price as in 1979,nearly 40 years ago

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...TG_NUS_DPG&f=M

Road fuel is starting to creep up again in the UK - is that happening in the US as well ?
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Old May 29, 2016, 7:03 pm
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I believe that National was always the strong operator on this route, and that the other two would be Eastern and Continental.
9. Two out three is not bad! But which two and what type of aircraft did each carrier operate on these morning flights?

Please guess again, sir!
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Old May 29, 2016, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM
I believe that although jet fuel for much of the 1990s bounced around USD 0.50/gal, spiking up to USD 4.00 in 2008 and still USD 3.00 two years ago, we are now back down to USD 1.00, around the same price as in 1979,nearly 40 years ago

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...TG_NUS_DPG&f=M

Road fuel is starting to creep up again in the UK - is that happening in the US as well ?
Yes, indeed, it is. At least here in Louisiana. The least expensive regular gas in the LFT area appears to be $1.95 per gallon.
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Old May 29, 2016, 8:42 pm
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9- let me weigh in here ...
1965, HOU-MSY:
National - DC-8 (perhaps still an Electra?)
Eastern - 727
Delta - CV-880
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Old May 30, 2016, 6:04 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767
9- let me weigh in here ...
1965, HOU-MSY:
National - DC-8 (perhaps still an Electra?)
Eastern - 727
Delta - CV-880
National operating a DC-8 is correct. This flight originated in San Francisco as a red eye and made a stop in Las Vegas. NA 218 then departed HOU at 7:25a and arrived in MSY at 8:15a before continuing on to Tampa and Miami.

Eastern is correct.....but not with a 727. Please guess again!

Delta operating a Convair 880 is correct. DL 976 originated in HOU, departing at 7:15a and arriving in MSY at 8:04a. This flight then continued on to Baltimore and Philadelphia.
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Old May 30, 2016, 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Eastern is correct (operating HOU-MSY) but not with a 727. Please guess again!
How about a Boeing 720-025?
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Originally Posted by jlemon

6. Also in 1981, Pan Am added nine new aircraft to its fleet: six of one type, two of a second type and one of a third type. Identify all three jetliners along with the number of each type placed into service. ANSWERED

7. In 1982, the airline stated this small city was "the newest Pan Am destination" in the U.S. Pan Am served this destination with a mainline jet aircraft type. Identify this destination along with the one and only nonstop route flown from it
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How about a Boeing 720-025?
9. Excellent guess! And at one point, Eastern did operate B720 service between HOU and MSY.

However, this morning flight was operated with another aircraft type.

So please guess again, sir!
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Old May 30, 2016, 12:45 pm
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9. Excellent guess! And at one point, Eastern did operate B720 service between HOU and MSY. However, this morning flight was operated with another aircraft type.

Hmm... Must be a DC-8 - assuming it's a jet, that is...


6. Also in 1981, Pan Am added nine new aircraft to its fleet: six of one type, two of a second type and one of a third type. Identify all three jetliners along with the number of each type placed into service.

Well the Tristar -500s certainly come to mind first, so we'll go with six of those. As to the others, are we talking brand new from the manufacturer - as in Boeing -x21s? If so, I'll hazard a guess that PA picked up a couple of 747-221s and perhaps a 727-221. Or maybe it's the other way around with two 727s as I'm not sure PA operated 747-221s... Either way, '81 was too early for the Airbuses.

7. In 1982, the airline stated this small city was "the newest Pan Am destination" in the U.S. Pan Am served this destination with a mainline jet aircraft type. Identify this destination along with the one and only nonstop route flown from it.

Wild guess: Key West, FL. from Miami with a 727-35

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Old May 30, 2016, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
9. Excellent guess! And at one point, Eastern did operate B720 service between HOU and MSY. However, this morning flight was operated with another aircraft type.

Hmm... Must be a DC-8 - assuming it's a jet, that is...


6. Also in 1981, Pan Am added nine new aircraft to its fleet: six of one type, two of a second type and one of a third type. Identify all three jetliners along with the number of each type placed into service.

Well the Tristar -500s certainly come to mind first, so we'll go with six of those. As to the others, are we talking brand new from the manufacturer - as in Boeing -x21s? If so, I'll hazard a guess that PA picked up a couple of 747-221s and perhaps a 727-221. Or maybe it's the other way around with two 727s as I'm not sure PA operated 747-221s... Either way, '81 was too early for the Airbuses.

7. In 1982, the airline stated this small city was "the newest Pan Am destination" in the U.S. Pan Am served this destination with a mainline jet aircraft type. Identify this destination along with the one and only nonstop route flown from it.

Wild guess: Key West, FL. from Miami with a 727-35

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9. No sir, it was not a DC-8. Please guess again!

6. We are talking new aircraft here from the respective manufacturers concerning Pan Am.....

And six (6) new long range Lockheed L1011-500 Tristar aircraft delivered from the Palmdale plant in the high desert north of L.A. is correct!

The Boeing 727-221 was also ordered....and not one but two were delivered in 1981.

However, a new Boeing 747-221 was not added to the fleet in 1981.

So we are still looking for one more aircraft type here....and only one new example of this type was added to the Pan Am fleet in 1981.

7. Ah, Key West (EYW) was not the newest destination. However, you are on the right track with regard to the 727. And you might want to head quite a bit west with regard to the location of the small city in question.

Plus, here's an additional hint: this destination was not served by a code share partner, it was served with Pan Am metal flown by PA crews.

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Old May 30, 2016, 2:49 pm
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So we are still looking for one more aircraft type here....and only one new example of this type was added to the Pan Am fleet in 1981.
Is this the last DC-10 that National had ordered, that after the merger with Pan Am in 1980 was delivered new directly to them ?
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Is this the last DC-10 that National had ordered, that after the merger with Pan Am in 1980 was delivered new directly to them ?
Yes sir, it was (although the 1981 Pan Am annual report makes no mention of aircraft previously ordered by National).

And it was not just any DC10: it was a "long range DC10(-30)".

This PA annual report also makes the following interesting statement:

"Four of the airline's long range DC10-30 aircraft are being converted to charter configuration, each with 380 seats instead of the standard 286."

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Old May 31, 2016, 8:40 am
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7. In 1982, the airline stated this small city was "the newest Pan Am destination" in the U.S. Pan Am served this destination with a mainline jet aircraft type. Identify this destination along with the one and only nonstop route flown from it.
As Seat 2A has 50 new questions ready to go, last call for this quiz item!

Hints: the destination was not Key West (EYW) but was instead located quite a bit to the west. And it was served with Pan Am mainline metal operated by PA crews.
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Old May 31, 2016, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon

9. Now it's 1965 and you are in Houston where you've been attending a symposium at NASA's Manned Spacecraft Center (MSC) concerning the space agency's quest to land men on the moon by the end of the decade. A message is delivered and you are requested to attend a business lunch meeting the next day in New Orleans. A quick check of schedules reveals that three airlines operate morning nonstop service from Houston Hobby to New Orleans with departures at 7:15 am, 7:25 am and 8:00 am. Name all three airlines and the respective aircraft types they operated on these flights.
Last call for this quiz item as well!

Answers thus far.....

* National operating a Douglas DC-8
* Delta operating a Convair 880
* Eastern operating a ____________ (not a 720, 727 or DC-8)
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Old May 31, 2016, 9:07 am
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Last call for this quiz item as well! (HOU-MSY early morning line-up)

* National operating a Douglas DC-8
* Delta operating a Convair 880
* Eastern operating a Convair 440
I always knew EA operated the 440 into places like Beaumont/Port Arthur. It didn't immediately come to mind for schedules between two large cities such as HOU and MSY. Possibly this flight originated in somewhere like Corpus Christi...

Then again, it could be an Electra. Still, I don't recall seeing many of EA's Electras ever scheduled west of Atlanta...
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