KVS Availability Tool - AC/ Air Canada

KVS · Jul 3, 05, 6:45 pm

This thread is a branch-off from the Master KVS Availability Tool thread, and is intended for discussion and support on AC and Aeroplan-specific issues.

Please continue to use the main thread for all other matters, and http://www.KVSTool.com for membership-related matters.

Availability:

AC Booking Classes Displayed by the KVS Tool (AC Award/Upgrade classes are in green):

[Sabre: FS]
- R Y B M U H Q V W S T L K N G P E A J C D Z (Domestic)
- R Y B M U H Q V W S T L K N A J C D Z (Transborder)
- R Y B M U H Q V W S T L K J C D Z (Intl)
[Sabre: GTC]
- J C D Z Y B M U H Q V W S T L K N G P E (Domestic)
- J C D Z Y B M U H Q V W S T L K N A R (Transborder)
- J C D Z Y B M U H Q V W S T L K R (Intl)
[Galileo: ETR]
- J C D Z Y B M U H Q V W S T L K N G P E R (Domestic)
- J C D Z Y B M U H Q V W S T L K N A R (Transborder)
- J C D Z Y B M U H Q V W S T L K R (Intl)
[Awards/StarAlliance]
- CS=I YS=X
[Awards/AC-StarAlliance]
- CS=I YS=X

Aeroplan Star Alliance & Partner Award Availability:

AC Award & Upgrade availability is supported.
All Star Alliance partners are also supported: AC/UA/CO/US/LH/LX/OS/SK/TP/LO/JK/BD/TK/SN/A3/JJ/SQ/NZ/NH/OZ/TG/CA/SA/MS/JP/OU/KF
Star Alliance Upgrade Availability is fully supported for all Star Alliance carriers, except JJ.
Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for more details.

Fares, Fare/Routing Rules:

AC published Fares & Fare/Routing Rules are supported by all KVS Tool Fares Methods.
Also supported are AC-published Star Alliance Round-The-World (xRWSTARx/YRWSPCL) & other special circle Fares, including Circle Asia (xCASTARx), Circle North Asia (xCNASTRx) & Circle Pacific (xCPSTARx) via the [Fares/DotRes] Method.
Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#RTW for more details.

Seat Maps:

AC Seat Maps are available via the [Amadeus Text] & [Amadeus Enhanced] options.

Timetables:

AC flights are supported.

Operational Info/Flight Tracking:

Detailed Operational Info (incl. delay reasons, etc.) is available for AC flights via the [Amadeus] option.
Detailed Operational Info is also available for most other Star Alliance flights via the [Amadeus] option.
AC flights are supported in all Tracking options.

KVS · Jul 3, 05, 6:47 pm

As can be seen from the chart above, I class is no longer displayed via the Worldspan: ITN/CWT method for domestic/transborder flights. I strongly suspect that this change was initiated by AC itself...

yyznomad · Jul 3, 05, 7:03 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

As can be seen from the chart above, I class is no longer displayed via the Worldspan: ITN/CWT method for domestic/transborder flights. I strongly suspect that this change was initiated by AC itself...

KVS, do you think it's possible that AC is making some changes to "I" and hence retracting it from particular (but not all) views? Any reason for these changes?

KVS · Jul 3, 05, 7:30 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyznomad

KVS, do you think it's possible that AC is making some changes to "I" and hence retracing it from particular (but not all) views? Any reason for these changes?

Yes, but what kind of "changes"? ...

yyznomad · Jul 3, 05, 7:45 pm

For awhile we have been waiting for a hopefully more common situation where "I > C" and that this would occur once some "upgrades" or "enhancements" have been made to the system. Could this be one of those "changes"?

Also, do you think they would allow "I" to be redisplayed where they have been retracted recently, once these "hopeful" changes have been made?

Of course, everything here is speculation (I admit) but many here would love to know what on earth is going on and the reasons behind it...

KVS · Jul 3, 05, 9:15 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyznomad

Also, do you think they would allow "I" to be redisplayed where they have been retracted recently, once these "hopeful" changes have been made?

I don't really see why withdrawing the display of I class from certain POSs (such as Worldspan: ITN/CWT) would be a prerequisite for making the "upgrades" / "enhancements" you are referring to. At the moment, it really looks like AC has decided that there is no reason why I class should be displayed on particular POSs, so I kinda doubt that it will be coming back.

Having said that, you can still see I class via Apollo: ITN/CWT, Amadeus: AUA/*A & Galileo methods, so let's hope that it stays that way...

yyzgigi · Jul 4, 05, 7:49 am

There would certainly be a lot less complaining about I<C, if we could never see I. Interestingly it does show on international so there would still be insentive to buy M class on those routes. It's almost like they have thought this out as part of their evil plan...

However, presumably travel agents need to see the information, so I don't think they can completely hide it.

inlanikai · Jul 4, 05, 8:26 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzgigi

However, presumably travel agents need to see the information, so I don't think they can completely hide it.

I class is still available on ExpertFlyer.com.

ReluctantCanadian · Jul 4, 05, 8:36 am

Quick question: I'm assuming that there is no way of searching for AC D and W inventory?

KVS · Jul 4, 05, 10:54 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzgigi

There would certainly be a lot less complaining about I<C, if we could never see I.

Then why did they hide it from some POSs, but not others?

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzgigi

Interestingly it does show on international so there would still be insentive to buy M class on those routes.

The reason for that might be that for Intl routes there are approx. 10 visible booking classes (compared to almost 20 classes for NA routes). Assuming AC was trying to eliminate 'unnecessary' classes from the display (e.g. to reduce 'clutter'), it is obvious why they only got rid of I on NA routes...

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzgigi

However, presumably travel agents need to see the information

But are we sure about that?

KVS · Jul 4, 05, 11:00 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by inlanikai

I class is still available on ExpertFlyer.com.

As per HereNow...'s recent post (Where did the "I" go???) the classes currently shown by EF for AC are exactly the same as those currently shown by the Tool...

P.S. Has EF started paying commissions?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReluctantCanadian

Quick question: I'm assuming that there is no way of searching for AC D and W inventory?

That's correct.

KVS · Jul 9, 05, 1:48 pm

Now that the Tool thread has been moved over to the TravelBuzz! forum, just wanted to let everyone know that Version 1.4.4 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download -- see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...52#post4292852 for What's New.

airbus320 · Jul 9, 05, 2:16 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Now that the Tool thread has been moved over to the TravelBuzz! forum, just wanted to let everyone know that Version 1.4.4 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download -- see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...52#post4292852 for What's New.

Thanks for the update. Please continue to let us know when we should upgrade our versions.

infoworks · Jul 9, 05, 6:03 pm

A great tool, getting better...thanks...

PreferBulkhead · Jul 9, 05, 6:08 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by infoworks

A great tool, getting better...thanks...

I think it was a great utility from day 1.

BTW I think we need to remember that this is a tool that is done on his own time ... so we should continue to appreciate whatever KVS provides (IMHO) ... I have sent in a couple of "donations" to the cause but will not be able to for much longer as I have to enroll in an KVS-addiction program

(just kidding)