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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 11:27 am
  #2551  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Originally Posted by KVS
All "Coming Soon" KVS Tool features (both Platinum and Diamond) are live in the current Beta, available by request.
The program told me to update itself, then I installed it (from the Beta) and now I am back to square one - does the beta also have a new update?

Need to redownload the Beta version again and install it??
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
The program told me to update itself, then I installed it (from the Beta) and now I am back to square one - does the beta also have a new update?

Need to redownload the Beta version again and install it??
You need to download V3.5.9910 using the special Beta link (sent via e-mail).
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
The system behind the old Routing Rules was, in fact (and unfortunately), decommissioned and 'mutated' into the Fare Rules Summary option, which remains at the Platinum level.
But those have no routing rules in them, so that isn't much help.


Originally Posted by KVS
The new Routing Rules functionality is a result of many months of development efforts and does not share anything in common with the old function, other than the name.
OK, but now it also costs extra. I understand that there was much development effort required to find a data source and figure out a means to parse it and display it back, but it is pretty easy to argue that the folks who had paid for platinum actually LOST something and now that the same functionality is back it costs more.


Originally Posted by KVS
As mentioned above, nothing was [intentionally] taken away.
Not at this moment in time. But routing rules were taken away before with no commensurate drop in price. And now that they are coming back they cost extra. I know it isn't your fault that the original data source disappeared, but to claim that we have to now pay extra to get something that used to be included at a price point but that nothing was taken away seems somewhat disingenuous to me.
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
But those have no routing rules in them, so that isn't much help.
Well, if they still had Routing Rules in them, then they would not have been decommissioned in the first place .

Originally Posted by sbm12
OK, but now it also costs extra. I understand that there was much development effort required to find a data source and figure out a means to parse it and display it back, but it is pretty easy to argue that the folks who had paid for platinum actually LOST something and now that the same functionality is back it costs more.
There is no doubt that when a particular feature becomes no longer available, then one may experience a loss of the related functionality (assuming they were actually utilizing it).

However, as mentioned previously, it is not the same feature, notwithstanding the fact that its functionality is similar to that of the old feature.

Originally Posted by sbm12
Not at this moment in time.
So the 'loss of functionality' (which happened months ago) only became an issue when the new feature was implemented? In other words, if there was no effort made to develop the new Routing Rules function, these concerns would have never surfaced?

Originally Posted by sbm12
But routing rules were taken away before with no commensurate drop in price.
If they were, indeed, intentionally "taken away", then it would have been different, but that is not the case.

Furthermore, by the same token, no new features should ever be introduced for existing members (e.g. at the Platinum level)?

Originally Posted by sbm12
And now that they are coming back they cost extra. I know it isn't your fault that the original data source disappeared, but to claim that we have to now pay extra to get something that used to be included at a price point but that nothing was taken away seems somewhat disingenuous to me.
As previously mentioned, there are personalized solutions available for existing Platinum-tier members on a case-by-case basis, which are best discussed via e-mail or using the Contact Form.

Thank you for your understanding and support.
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 6:11 pm
  #2555  
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Originally Posted by KVS
However, as mentioned previously, it is not the same feature, notwithstanding the fact that its functionality is similar to that of the old feature.
Certainly not the same codebase but it seems similar enough to the old functionality that it is a 1:1 swap from my perspective as a user/subscriber.

Originally Posted by KVS
If they were, indeed, intentionally "taken away", then it would have been different, but that is not the case.
If I've paid for a product that has feature X and feature X is no longer available do I care why? No. I just know that I paid for one thing and now it is no longer there. The RTW fares is another good example of this. It was added to the product in the equivalent of what is now the Sabre:TVN method previously, available to Gold subscribers. Now it will only be available at the Diamond level.

Originally Posted by KVS
Furthermore, by the same token, no new features should ever be introduced for existing members (e.g. at the Platinum level)?
The flip side is that you've already done the development for 99% of the product so why do we pay to renew the license every 3/6/12 months?

I appreciate that there is some consideration being given to the situation and I appreciate the development work that has gone into the tool. But this particular issue can be read both way pretty easily, depending on which side of the financial transaction one is on. You seem to be keeping most of the same basic features available as long as folks keep paying, but for new things the cost to play has gone up significantly, depending on which particular bit one is interested in.
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
I appreciate that there is some consideration being given to the situation and I appreciate the development work that has gone into the tool. But this particular issue can be read both way pretty easily, depending on which side of the financial transaction one is on. You seem to be keeping most of the same basic features available as long as folks keep paying, but for new things the cost to play has gone up significantly, depending on which particular bit one is interested in.
Once again, what may "seem" and the reality are two different things:

Over the past 5 years, there have been approx. 60 versions of the KVS Tool released, yet there are just 2/3 elite membership levels.

Compared to the overall number of new features and other enhancements, which were added during this period, the re-alignments in question (both real and perceived) are truly insignificant.
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
I appreciate that there is some consideration being given to the situation and I appreciate the development work that has gone into the tool. But this particular issue can be read both way pretty easily, depending on which side of the financial transaction one is on. You seem to be keeping most of the same basic features available as long as folks keep paying, but for new things the cost to play has gone up significantly, depending on which particular bit one is interested in.
I would have to agree with this. The routing rules being gone was rather annoying. Having to pay more to get them now that they are back is rather annoying as well. As a customer, the details of where the data comes from do not really concern me. I just see that I had something and now I don't. I now have to pay extra for it if I want it.
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Old Jun 1, 2009, 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by xyzzy
I would have to agree with this. The routing rules being gone was rather annoying. Having to pay more to get them now that they are back is rather annoying as well. As a customer, the details of where the data comes from do not really concern me. I just see that I had something and now I don't. I now have to pay extra for it if I want it.
As mentioned previously, there has been no intention to "annoy" any KVS Tool members. Being a member since Aug 2005, I hope you will also be able to see the flip side of this 'glass half full/empty' argument .

Once again, I would invite anyone with similar concerns to share them via e-mail or the Contact Form, and remain confident that a mutually-satisfactory solution can be found on a case-by-case basis.
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 5:59 am
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I was wondering what is the difference in the 2 fares below:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.5.9910/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]
Code:
BOM  Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]
OW   Jun-May

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur   Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  -------------
LH         BOM     NYC     30792   INR                  12M  QRCOWAAW/II11
LH         BOM     NYC     32392   INR                  12M  QRCOWAAW
Is one of them (QRCOWAAW/II11) the online fare from LH? (discounted fare charged by LH on their website)

Or is this a currency exchange deviation?

Note that the Amadeus base fare (quoted by a local TA is: Rs. 32,100/-)
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
I was wondering what is the difference in the 2 fares below:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.5.9910/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]
Code:
BOM  Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]
OW   Jun-May

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur   Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  -------------
LH         BOM     NYC     30792   INR                  12M  QRCOWAAW/II11
LH         BOM     NYC     32392   INR                  12M  QRCOWAAW
Is one of them (QRCOWAAW/II11) the online fare from LH? (discounted fare charged by LH on their website)

Or is this a currency exchange deviation?

Note that the Amadeus base fare (quoted by a local TA is: Rs. 32,100/-)
For exact fares in various currencies you need to use DotRes:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.5.9910/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
BOM  Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]
MON  15 Jun 2009 | O/W | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------
LH         BOM     EWR     20800   INR                      SRCZAAOW
LH         BOM     EWR     24700   INR                      WRCZAAOW
LH         BOM     EWR     27000   INR                      VRCOWAAW
LH         BOM     EWR     31800   INR                      QRCOWAAW
LH         BOM     EWR     37800   INR                      HRFOWAAW
LH         BOM     EWR     49800   INR                      MFFOWAAW
LH         BOM     EWR     67800   INR                      BFFOWAAW
LH         BOM     EWR    152400   INR                      YOW02
Will have to look a few things up regarding the "/II11" fare and will e-mail you directly...
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
For exact fares in various currencies you need to use DotRes:

LH BOM EWR 31800 INR QRCOWAAW
So DotRes and Amadeus have a discrepancy in a base fare value of Rs. 300/- - I wonder why?

So, therefore wondering which method is the accurate one...is LH putting forward fares in EUR and converting them to INR??
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
So DotRes and Amadeus have a discrepancy in a base fare value of Rs. 300/- - I wonder why?

So, therefore wondering which method is the accurate one...is LH putting forward fares in EUR and converting them to INR??
There should be no discrepancy between DotRes and Amadeus -- perhaps your TA is adding some other 300 INR charge (e.g. commission)?
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
There should be no discrepancy between DotRes and Amadeus -- perhaps your TA is adding some other 300 INR charge (e.g. commission)?
No, he was reading off the screen - I asked about exchange rates, and it appears that "fifty-eight" something was the EUR-INR rate stipulated there, but that's very low for a EUR exchange...

Don't have Amadeus access, so don't know the IATA rate at present - I suspect that LH has fares denominated in EUR, their home currency, and this is why there is a deviation.
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
No, he was reading off the screen - I asked about exchange rates, and it appears that "fifty-eight" something was the EUR-INR rate stipulated there, but that's very low for a EUR exchange...

Don't have Amadeus access, so don't know the IATA rate at present - I suspect that LH has fares denominated in EUR, their home currency, and this is why there is a deviation.
OK, here it is:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.5.9910/Diamond - DotRes: BOM-EWR/LH/QRCOWAAW/31800 INR]
Code:
SURCHARGES : FARE RULE
  ORIGINATING INDIA -
  THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON EITHER THE PLATE OR STOCK OF
  LH WHEN AND ARE SOLD IN INDIA.
  MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF INR 300 PER TICKET
  WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  THIS TICKETING SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN
  TICKETS ORGINATING INDIA ARE SOLD IN INDIA.

  GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
  WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN COLOMBIA/MEXICO/COSTA RICA/
  GUATEMALA/HONDURAS/NICARAGUA/PANAMA/EL SALVADOR/BELIZE/
  ARGENTINA/PERU/URUGUAY.
  FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 140.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
  ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE.
  THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE
  SOLD IN THE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES-
  COLOMBIA/ MEXICO/ COSTA RICA/ GUATEMALA/ HONDURAS/
  NICARAGUA/ PANAMA/ EL SALVADOR/ BELIZE/ ARGENTINA/
  PERU/ URUGUAY.
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Old Jun 2, 2009, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
OK, here it is:

MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF INR 300 PER TICKET
WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
THIS TICKETING SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN
TICKETS ORGINATING INDIA ARE SOLD IN INDIA.
I was wondering why LH would do this - any reason for them to initiate such a charge?
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