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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

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Jan 11, 2008, 9:36 pm

#1756

FlyerGoldII

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You are right in terms of my error when trying the individual segments - DEL-ZRH or ZRH-BOS.

However, I did not make the error, when typing in DEL-BOS.

I am looking for the cheapest fare basis/booking code availability - namely, E class (as per Sabre fares access methods) - it is about $650 return (base fare only)! Problems are finding "E" booking code availability for DEL-BOS; such available easily displayed for BOS-DEL (interested in LX only). I can now get E availability to display when looking at DEL-ZRH or ZRH-BOS separately.

When looking at booking code availability for DEL-BOS:

1. However, in terms of Sabre or WSpan, no E class (cheapest fare basis, as per sabre fare access methods) - see your example for sabre.

2. In terms of Galileo, no E class.

2. However. in terms of Apollo, no LX (but all other airlines displayed) - even when LX specified:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

Code:

DEL  Delhi Indira Gandhi Int'l IN [VIDP]
BOS  Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
WED  02 Apr 2008

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- 
AI        111    DEL  07:20     LHR  11:30     777  0    F2 A4 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 H4 K4 L4 M4 V0 G0
 -> CO/VS 8231   LHR  14:40     BOS  17:00     346  0    J4 D4 Z4 R9 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9
AI/LH     8763   DEL  09:00     MUC  13:45     346  0    F2 J4 H4 K4 L4
 -> LH    424    MUC  15:40     BOS  18:05     340  0    F8 A8 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9
AI        111    DEL  07:20     LHR  11:30     777  0    F2 A4 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 H4 K4 L4 M4 V0 G0
 -> VS    11     LHR  14:40     BOS  17:00     346  0    J7 D7 Z7 S7 Y7 B7 L7 M7 Q7 X7 N7  0  0
BA        256    DEL  08:15     LHR  13:10     777  0    J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 G0  0  0
 -> CO/VS 8231   LHR  14:40     BOS  17:00     346  0    J4 D4 Z4 R9 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9
BA        256    DEL  08:15     LHR  13:10     777  0    J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 G0  0  0
 -> VS    11     LHR  14:40     BOS  17:00     346  0    J7 D7 Z7 S7 Y7 B7 L7 M7 Q7 X7 N7  0  0
BA        142    DEL  02:10     LHR  06:55     777  0    F9 A8 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0  0  0
 -> BA    213    LHR  11:05     BOS  13:10     744  0    F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9  0  0
CO        83     DEL  22:50     EWR  04:35 +1  777  0    J9 D9 Z9 R9 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0
 -> CO    1116   EWR  06:30 +1  BOS  07:40 +1  735  0    A7 D7 Z7 R0 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0
CO        83     DEL  22:50     EWR  04:35 +1  777  0    J9 D9 Z9 R9 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0
 -> CO    1120   EWR  08:30 +1  BOS  09:50 +1  735  0    A8 D8 Z8 R0 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0
CO        83     DEL  22:50     EWR  04:35 +1  777  0    J9 D9 Z9 R9 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0
 -> CO    1118   EWR  07:30 +1  BOS  08:46 +1  735  0    A8 D8 Z8 R0 E0 Y9 H9 K9 M9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0
KL        872    DEL  00:50     AMS  05:50     777  0    J9 C4 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 V9
 -> KL/NW 6059   AMS  08:10     BOS  10:10     757  0    J9 C4 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 V9
KL        872    DEL  00:50     AMS  05:50     777  0    J9 C5 S9 B9 K9 H9
 -> NW    59     AMS  08:10     BOS  10:10     757  0    J0 C0 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 T9 K9
LH        763    DEL  09:00     MUC  13:45     340  0    F7 A6 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9
 -> LH    424    MUC  15:40     BOS  18:05     340  0    F8 A8 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9
VS        301    DEL  13:15     LHR  17:55     346  0    J7 D7 Z7 S7 Y7 B7 L7 M7 Q7 X7 N7  0  0
 -> BA    239    LHR  19:35     BOS  21:50     777  0    F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q1  0  0
AI        101    DEL  00:30     JFK  05:45     77L  0    F2 A4 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 H4 K4 L4 M4 V4 G4
 -> AA/MQ 4611   JFK  08:10     BOS  09:25     ER3  0    Carrier Not Supported -- Use Sabre/ITN
AA        293    DEL  00:15     ORD  05:10     777  0    F7 J7 S0 Y7 W7 B7 H5 M7 N0 K7 L7 Q0 V7 G0
 -> AA    876    ORD  07:05     BOS  10:15     M80  0    Carrier Not Supported -- Use Sabre/ITN
BA        142    DEL  02:10     LHR  06:55     777  0    F9 A8 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0  0  0
 -> AA    109    LHR  10:55     BOS  13:10     777  0    Carrier Not Supported -- Use Sabre/ITN
BA        142    DEL  02:10     LHR  06:55     777  0    F9 A8 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0  0  0
 -> AA    109    LHR  10:55     BOS  13:10     777  0    Carrier Not Supported -- Use Sabre/ITN

Jan 11, 2008, 9:55 pm

#1757

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

You are right in terms of my error when trying the individual segments - DEL-ZRH or ZRH-BOS.

However, I did not make the error, when typing in DEL-BOS.

LX E class is shown using the Galileo and Apollo Methods. However, neither of them pick-up the LX connection on the return, most likely because of the very long layover time in ZRH (11+ hours).

Jan 12, 2008, 5:52 am

#1758

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

LX E class is shown using the Galileo and Apollo Methods. However, neither of them pick-up the LX connection on the return, most likely because of the very long layover time in ZRH (11+ hours).

Part 1:

You are therefore saying that a connection (involving international travel) which is less than 23h59min (which is legal) will not necessarily show up in your access methods? What is the cut-off time for the access methods to show a connection?

Why did Apollo (as well as WSpan) show routings using all other airlines, when LX was specified (see my example with apollo). This did not happen with sabre (see your example)?

Sabre does not show E class fares? Is it true that sabre may not show certain fares for given routes (any airlines), but which may be seen using the galileo and apollo methods? To ask the question in a another way, for any given airline, which access method can display the widest range of booking code availability?

Last edited by FlyerGoldII; Jan 12, 2008 at 6:25 am

Jan 12, 2008, 6:21 am

#1759

FlyerGoldII

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Part 2:

Can sabre dot/res be wrong?

Let me give the following example:

The KVS tool gives the following fares - we are interested in the $650ESLLICUS fares. But the Swiss International Airlines web site, does indicate that E class fares are available on those 2 days (going and coming back), but it quotes a fare of just under $1050 (includes all fees and taxes). Why the discrepancy between the quoted fares, between the 2 sites? Obviously, with such a discrepancy, the LX web site would have to be the one relied upon, for booking purposes.

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US/CAD]

Code:

BOS  Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
DEL  Delhi Indira Gandhi Int'l IN [VIDP]
THU  06 Mar 2008 / WED  02 Apr 2008 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
LX        BOS    DEL      650   CAD                      ESLLICUS
LX        BOS    DEL      901   CAD                      WSLLICUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1102   CAD                      TICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1323   CAD                      LICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1575   CAD                      QICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1927   CAD                      HICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     2128   CAD                      MICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     2992   CAD                      BICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     5737   CAD                      YICSWIUS

Jan 12, 2008, 6:31 am

#1760

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Code:

BOS  Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
DEL  Delhi Indira Gandhi Int'l IN [VIDP]
THU  06 Mar 2008 / WED  02 Apr 2008 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
LX        BOS    DEL      650   CAD                      ESLLICUS
LX        BOS    DEL      901   CAD                      WSLLICUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1102   CAD                      TICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1323   CAD                      LICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1575   CAD                      QICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     1927   CAD                      HICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     2128   CAD                      MICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     2992   CAD                      BICSWIUS
LX        BOS    DEL     5737   CAD                      YICSWIUS

AFAIK that is the E class fare. From ITA:

Code:

Fare (A1): 	LX BOSDEL ESLLICUS fare (rules) ,  psgr type ADT 	$323.00
Fare (A2): 	LX DELBOS ESLLICUS fare (rules) ,  psgr type ADT 	$323.00
Tax: 	US September 11th Security Fee 	$2.50
Tax: 	US International Departure Tax 	$15.40
Tax: 	US Passenger Facility Charge 	$4.50
Tax: 	Indian Passenger Service Fee 	$5.70
Tax: 	US International Arrival Tax 	$15.40
Tax: 	Swiss Airport Passenger Security & Noise Charge 	CHF 46.00
Tax: 	US Customs Fee 	$5.50
Tax: 	US Immigration Fee 	$7.00
Tax: 	USDA APHIS Fee 	$5.00
Tax: 	LX YR surcharge 	$300.00
Total for 1 adult passenger: 	$1048.20

Cheers,

Jan 12, 2008, 8:20 am

#1761

FlyerGoldII

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sadiqhassan

AFAIK that is the E class fare. From ITA:

Code:

Fare (A1): 	LX BOSDEL ESLLICUS fare (rules) ,  psgr type ADT 	$323.00
Fare (A2): 	LX DELBOS ESLLICUS fare (rules) ,  psgr type ADT 	$323.00
Tax: 	US September 11th Security Fee 	$2.50
Tax: 	US International Departure Tax 	$15.40
Tax: 	US Passenger Facility Charge 	$4.50
Tax: 	Indian Passenger Service Fee 	$5.70
Tax: 	US International Arrival Tax 	$15.40
Tax: 	Swiss Airport Passenger Security & Noise Charge 	CHF 46.00
Tax: 	US Customs Fee 	$5.50
Tax: 	US Immigration Fee 	$7.00
Tax: 	USDA APHIS Fee 	$5.00
Tax: 	LX YR surcharge 	$300.00
Total for 1 adult passenger: 	$1048.20

Cheers,

Thanks, for the information.

I have a couple of questions:

1. I have not used the ITA software (found on the FT Talklinks) in the past. I quickly looked at the fare on ITA a few minutes ago; I could not figure out how one got the breakdown (as you have displayed it above) the taxes and fees.

2.What is the LX YR surcharge all about? Is that surcharge present in all economy fares, or all fares, from US to India via LX or US to anywhere LX flies?

3. I would like to ask KVS whether the KVS tool can give a breakdown of fees and taxes for any and every fare basis, as the ITA software?

Jan 12, 2008, 8:34 am

#1762

sadiqhassan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

1. Click on "show booking details" http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/di...17660&J=0&Q=-2

2. YR = Fuel surcharge. I am not sure how it is decided upon.

3. No. This would not be possible as taxes vary by route taken, stopovers etc.

Cheers,

Jan 12, 2008, 9:15 am

#1763

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sadiqhassan

Thanks, for the assistance.

In terms of your answer to question 3 - the ITA software can give a breakdown of taxes and fees for any route taken (perhaps with stopovers). I wonder if this type of ITA functionality can be incorporated into the a future version of the KVS tool - so I do not have to go to 2 separate software programs, to figure out: first, the fare for a given fare basis and booking code, and then second, find out the true fare, when taxes and fees are taken into account.

When I had looked at this E fare on the KVS tool, I was speculating that the taxes and fees would add up to approximately $100 - which technically is the case - but the $300 surcharge brings up the fare so much that my relative now has to think of other options (she wants to go to DEL from YOW in early March for a month - using the cheapest fare which will earn full Aeroplan miles - she has no issues with routing or stopovers).

Jan 12, 2008, 9:28 am

#1764

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

While it may work for more simple fares, in practicality it would be impossible. I'll take an example:

There is an AC fare from Bangkok to Montreal with a fare basis of J. The base far is USD 2215 (one way.) The only routing restriction is that the mileage should be below 11,548. Therefore, I can find infinitely many different routings on this fare with varying costs. It would be impossible to list all these combinations with total fare in any tool or program.

Sample Routings with Fares:

Code:

BKK-LH-FRA-AC-YUL. Fare $2595
BKK-MH-KUL-MH-FRA-AC-YUL Fare $2658
BKK-EK-DXB-EK-HAM-LX-ZRH-LX-FRA-AC-YUL Fare $2492
BKK-TG-LHR (stop) - AC - YUL Fare $2810
BKK-SQ-SIN-EK-DXB-QR-DOH-QR-CDG-AC-YUL Fare $2479

Even fuel surcharges can vary depending on a number of factors. I was booking a ticket from LHR to YYZ on AC which included an 80.00GBP fuel surcharge. However, when I combined the same AC fare with an EK fare from KHI, the 80.00GBP fuel surcharge no longer applied.

Cheers,

Jan 12, 2008, 12:48 pm

#1765

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

That's just how those systems work ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Sabre does not show E class fares? Is it true that sabre may not show certain fares for given routes (any airlines), but which may be seen using the galileo and apollo methods? To ask the question in a another way, for any given airline, which access method can display the widest range of booking code availability?

The Galileo Method can show the availability for the widest range of booking classes, followed by Apollo, and Sabre Methods.

Jan 12, 2008, 2:52 pm

#1766

pmaddock

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NWA R (Elite Upgrade) availability?

Please forgive my searching ineptitude - I just can't seem to get it to work given the 4 char min on searches....

Does KVS show R bucket now? I remember it used to but it lost it some time back. I'm not completely happy with Expertflyer so I'm thinking about switching back if KVS can show R.

Jan 12, 2008, 4:56 pm

#1767

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Originally Posted by pmaddock

Unfortunately it cannot. Please see the [Classes Displayed By Airline] section of the KVS Tool FAQ (located at the very top of this thread).

Jan 13, 2008, 9:34 pm

#1768

jeelele

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

I was able to confirm that the QF OW Award search engine is currently not returning any BA flights. This may possibly be caused by a [temporary] data link loss issue between BA and QF ...

BA has been missing from OneWorld Award search for the last 3 days. I hope it is not a permanent removal from QF search engine.

Jan 14, 2008, 6:19 am

#1769

thenewflesh

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I apologize if this has been asked before but is the E class that's now coming up for CO for standard first award availability or did they make it the new R class (heavily discounted first)? Thanks

Jan 14, 2008, 10:27 pm

#1770

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeelele

BA has been missing from OneWorld Award search for the last 3 days. I hope it is not a permanent removal from QF search engine.

Pls see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...58#post9070258