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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

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http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
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Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
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Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
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Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
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https://en.aegeanair.com
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https://eservice.evaair.com
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https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
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https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
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http://skyvector.com/airport/
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https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
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https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
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https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
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https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
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https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
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https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
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https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
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https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
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https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
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https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
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https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
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https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
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https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
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https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
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http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
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http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
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http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
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http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
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http://www.flightradar24.com/
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http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
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http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
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http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
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Old Dec 13, 07, 8:19 am   #1726
  
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New [Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld] Method:


Shows available awards on most OneWorld carriers (QF/BA/AA/AY/IB/MA + EI)
QF FFP Membership Number and PIN are required to use this Method; instant online enrolment available at https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyns/joinff
I noticed that LAN is not on your list. Since the QF website allows me to search for LAN awards, is this a typo or intentional? Thanks.
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Old Dec 16, 07, 11:04 pm   #1727
  
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Problems with Skyteam Awards availability.

Hi KVS,

I am looking for award availability from SFO to EZE, using ORT: Skyteam Awards, yet all that shows me is availability on CO. I know there are flights to EZE on DL and AM too, but they are not coming up! Even when I use ATL-EZE as city pairs, only CO flights are showing up...

Anybody else seen this?
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Old Dec 17, 07, 7:33 pm   #1728
  
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Hello. Is there someone that can help me with a technical issue in KVS' absence? I am getting the 12029 connection error. I reviewed the FAQs, and I deleted the program from my firewall programs, and when that didn't work, I disabled both the firewall and all of Norton 360--still getting the error message.

I did a search of this thread, and I wasn't able to find anything other than someone who got a new firewall! I prefer not to do that.

If more appropriate to PM then here that's fine. I appreciate anyone who is able to help. Thank you.
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Old Dec 20, 07, 10:19 am   #1729
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The use of a Mac is one's choice and I certainly respect that. I am willing to make reasonable accommodations in terms of compatibility (for example, an alternative keyboard shortcut was introduced to accommodate Mac users, who couldn't "right click").

Re-writing 15 000+ lines of code and taking a hit on decreased application performance from the use of "platform-independent" solutions? Sorry, but I would have to say no.

In any case, now that Apple had finally acknowledged the idiocy behind using a non-Intel processor architecture on consumer-grade machines, running a Win32 application on a modern Mac is easier than ever: http://kvs.unrealnetwork.com/Images/...elsDesktop.gif
I was actually going to ask a similar question when I saw this.

From a developer standpoint, the answer is simple, branch the product while developing a core library/framework from which to work. C/C++/C# aren't that much different than ObjectiveC.

Though from the looks of it, you may have written KVS in Delphi.

Ever thought about using something that is truly cross-platform that doesn't suffer a performance hit (such as Python)?
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Old Dec 20, 07, 2:25 pm   #1730
  
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How do I find out what the class codes are for QR? I thought the highest classes were always first, but the following doesnt seem to follow that principle:

QR 11 DOH 07:40 LHR 13:25 332 0 F2 P4 A0 O0 C4 J2 D4 I0 Y4 B4 L4 M4 Q4 K4 H4 V4 T4 G4 W4 N0

This might suggest that F/P are first class, and C/J are business. But why more P than F spaces and more J than C spaces. Also what is the A and O? Too many First class codes?
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Old Dec 30, 07, 11:05 am   #1731
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I noticed that LAN is not on your list. Since the QF website allows me to search for LAN awards, is this a typo or intentional? Thanks.
This has now been updated -- thanks.
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Old Dec 30, 07, 11:07 am   #1732
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I am looking for award availability from SFO to EZE, using ORT: Skyteam Awards, yet all that shows me is availability on CO. I know there are flights to EZE on DL and AM too, but they are not coming up! Even when I use ATL-EZE as city pairs, only CO flights are showing up...
That is, indeed, what the SkyTeam search engine currently returns -- unfortunately, there is no way to override this behaviour...
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Old Dec 30, 07, 11:21 am   #1733
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How do I find out what the class codes are for QR? I thought the highest classes were always first, but the following doesnt seem to follow that principle:

QR 11 DOH 07:40 LHR 13:25 332 0 F2 P4 A0 O0 C4 J2 D4 I0 Y4 B4 L4 M4 Q4 K4 H4 V4 T4 G4 W4 N0

This might suggest that F/P are first class, and C/J are business. But why more P than F spaces and more J than C spaces. Also what is the A and O? Too many First class codes?
The above availability could be erroneous:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]
Code:
DOH  Doha QA [OTBD]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
TUE  01 Jan 2008

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- 
QR        11     DOH  07:40     LHR  12:25     333  0    F4 P4 A4 C4 J4 D0 Y4 B4 L4 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0
QR        1      DOH  12:45     LHR  17:30          0    F4 P4 A0 C4 J4 D0 Y4 B4 L4 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
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DOH  Doha QA [OTBD]
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
TUE  01 Jan 2008

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- 
QR        11     DOH  07:40     LHR  12:25     333  0    F2 P4 A4 O0 C4 J2 D0 I0 Y4 B4 L4 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0 T0 G0 W0 N0
QR        1      DOH  12:45     LHR  17:30     346  0    F2 P4 A0 O0 C4 J2 D0 I0 Y4 B4 L0 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0 T0 G0 W0 N0
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Ok, so it looks like Sabre is best for QR, as your Apollo insert above gives the same erronous numbers.

P.S how do I insert the neat KVS extracts like that?
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Old Dec 31, 07, 8:33 pm   #1735
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P.S how do I insert the neat KVS extracts like that?
By reviewing the [Additional Features FAQ] section at the top of this thread .
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Old Dec 31, 07, 8:38 pm   #1736
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I think that this might be the wrong kind of forum for that .

Firstly, it's a performance issue -- no web-based solution will ever be as fast a well-written native [Win or Mac] application. Secondly, there are currently operational/technical constraints for making the Tool web-based.

Indeed, and I certainly appreciate your continued support of the project.
Not to derail the thread too much, but the performance argument always elicits a response. Writing it in Java would solve the platform independence, and Java these days is very nearly as high performing as a natively linked & compiled app.

Of course, I may be biased as a Java engineer, but I can say with complete certainty that there is at least one example of an application written entirely in Java that is responsible for handling hundreds of flight availability queries per second, and it doesn't bat an eyelash. Now granted, this is across all instances of the application, but I guarantee there aren't hundreds of instances deployed in parallel. I'll give you a hint. Its mother-ship is also a type of sword.

When you're screen-scraping from the web, I don't think the latency from the JVM overhead is going to be your bottleneck.

Though I completely agree with you that porting what you've developed to date is not a trivial effort!
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Of course, I may be biased as a Java engineer, but I can say with complete certainty that there is at least one example of an application written entirely in Java that is responsible for handling hundreds of flight availability queries per second, and it doesn't bat an eyelash. Now granted, this is across all instances of the application, but I guarantee there aren't hundreds of instances deployed in parallel. I'll give you a hint. Its mother-ship is also a type of sword.
The performance issue concerns mostly the GUI, and in that area, Java's performance, at least under Win32, is quite dreadful....
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1. I was looking at the cheapest return latitude fare (U class) for YOW-HNL on the aircanada.com web site for this coming Aug - it was (incl. taxes) about $1600+. Using the KVS tool (sabre dot.res) - it came up at $2400. Why the discrepancy?
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1. I was looking at the cheapest return latitude fare (U class) for YOW-HNL on the aircanada.com web site for this coming Aug - it was (incl. taxes) about $1600+. Using the KVS tool (sabre dot.res) - it came up at $2400. Why the discrepancy?
The U-class fare(s) that AC.com is using to price this itinerary are not [yet?] loaded into [all] GDS systems...
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