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ITA Matrix Search: http://matrix.itasoftware.com
You can sometimes see flights, fares and detailed fare rules that may not be reflected on an airline's website. Please read the thread for some tips and tricks, screen shots, etc.
A related thread, ITA-Matrix-PowerTools - Userscript for Orbitz/DL/UA/AA/BA/CZ/IB/LA/LH/LX/TK, discusses a user script which is maintained by fellow flyertalk members to enhance the already powerful Matrix of ITA Software by providing new features and booking links.
Additional details and tips on the use of ITA's advanced routing code feature can be found in the following long-standing Mileage Run Discussion threads:
You can sometimes see flights, fares and detailed fare rules that may not be reflected on an airline's website. Please read the thread for some tips and tricks, screen shots, etc.
A related thread, ITA-Matrix-PowerTools - Userscript for Orbitz/DL/UA/AA/BA/CZ/IB/LA/LH/LX/TK, discusses a user script which is maintained by fellow flyertalk members to enhance the already powerful Matrix of ITA Software by providing new features and booking links.
Additional details and tips on the use of ITA's advanced routing code feature can be found in the following long-standing Mileage Run Discussion threads:
ITA Software Matrix Airfare Search Consolidated Information and Help Thread
#962
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 14
Love ITA but they do not comprehend all airlines
Hi guys,
I am quite new and have not read the entire thread. I love ITA, but it seemed to me, that they often do not provide certain airlines like ryanair or even Delta Airlines. I did some research and in fact, important airlines like the mentioned are not covered by them.
Do you know why they do not cover all of them?
I am quite new and have not read the entire thread. I love ITA, but it seemed to me, that they often do not provide certain airlines like ryanair or even Delta Airlines. I did some research and in fact, important airlines like the mentioned are not covered by them.
Do you know why they do not cover all of them?
Last edited by commaander; Apr 13, 2015 at 10:40 pm
#963
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: BKK
Programs: AA Plat, HH Diamond, SPG Gold
Posts: 2,395
Welcome to FlyerTalk commaander.
I'm not sure where you got the idea it's excluded, but Delta is definitely included in ITA searches.
It's true that many (most?) of the so-called budget or low cost carriers (LCCs), such as Ryanair, are not included in ITA searches, but you should be finding most of the major/legacy carriers in your results.
I'm not sure where you got the idea it's excluded, but Delta is definitely included in ITA searches.
It's true that many (most?) of the so-called budget or low cost carriers (LCCs), such as Ryanair, are not included in ITA searches, but you should be finding most of the major/legacy carriers in your results.
#964
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Hi guys,
I am quite new and have not read the entire thread. I love ITA, but it seemed to me, that they often do not provide certain airlines like ryanair or even Delta Airlines. I did some research and in fact, important airlines like the mentioned are not covered by them.
Do you know why they do not cover all of them?
I am quite new and have not read the entire thread. I love ITA, but it seemed to me, that they often do not provide certain airlines like ryanair or even Delta Airlines. I did some research and in fact, important airlines like the mentioned are not covered by them.
Do you know why they do not cover all of them?
The traditional channel is to publish their fares, their schedules and the availability on each flight onto what is called a "GDS" or global distribution system.
This system is how a travel agent in rural China can see that there is one seat left on your preferred LAX-JFK flight tomorrow afternoon. He can book it using the Computer Reservation System and be sure that no one else, even if they book it at the same time, will clash and overbook the plane (at least, this can happen, but only if the airline allows it).
The ITA Matrix presently uses this system to gather fare information, and to compute the lowest price available for you under a given set of circumstances.
But there are other ways airlines can sell their products. They can negotiate individual arrangements ("corporate fares") with large travel agents and large corporates, which are not publicly available. ITA cannot see those, and nor can anyone else.
Airlines nowadays also sell their products directly to customers, either online or by phone, or at the ticket desk. For a while, these channels simply mirrored the public information that was distributed to travel agents. For most airlines, such as British Airways, this remains the case. Many airlines, however, sometimes also offer cheaper deals on their websites (such as Cathay Pacific).
But there is a fee to join these global distributions systems. Some airlines, such as Easyjet and Ryanair, decided to sell their products directly to customers only, and bypass this whole travel agent business, which at the time also garnered agency fees for the agents that the airlines had to bear.
Ryanair continues with this paradigm, for now, but it is likely to change soon.
Other online booking sites often "scrape" the carriers' websites, that is they pretend to be a person looking at the site to obtain a fare quote. But ITA Matrix does not do this, it only uses publicly published information.
Last edited by Calchas; Apr 14, 2015 at 2:05 pm
#965
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: LAX
Programs: Delta, AA, USairways, BA, United, Hilton Honors Diamond, SPG Plat , Marriott, Sixt Platinum
Posts: 122
Google Matrix showing price I can't seem to find?
I'm seeing around $260 for a flight on May 20 from LAX > OSLO as shown here http://i.gyazo.com/2d7c79e34c1c886e394633d82d3178b3.png however can't seem to find a way to book this at that rate anywhere, tried Kayak and the Norweign site? Merci!!
#966
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 498
I'm seeing around $260 for a flight on May 20 from LAX > OSLO as shown here http://i.gyazo.com/2d7c79e34c1c886e394633d82d3178b3.png however can't seem to find a way to book this at that rate anywhere, tried Kayak and the Norweign site? Merci!!
Odds are Matrix is forgetting the fuel surcharge (TATL fares are typically this low, along with a $500+ fuel surcharge). It could also be an issue where the Q bucket is unavailable or ineligible for one-way booking, but I would bet on it missing the fuel surcharge.
#967
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: YQM
Posts: 341
I'm seeing around $260 for a flight on May 20 from LAX > OSLO as shown here http://i.gyazo.com/2d7c79e34c1c886e394633d82d3178b3.png however can't seem to find a way to book this at that rate anywhere, tried Kayak and the Norweign site? Merci!!
Edit: I know what's wrong. Your ITA search shows OSL-LAX, not LAX-OSL.
#969
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: Olympian, no medals (non-elite status :p )
Posts: 122
trying to price a ticket in business class coming back from TYO to LAX. The rules are as following:
Category 8: Stopover restrictions
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION IN SFO/LAX/SAN/DFW/CHI/NYC/BOS/YVR/JAPAN AT
USD 100.00 EACH.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
Category 9: Transfer restrictions
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN YVR/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A. IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN JAPAN IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.
Matrix prices it correctly if it stops in YVR, but I actually want to extend the mileage and stop in NYC rather than YVR (so NRT-JFK-LAX, not NRT-YVR-LAX). however pricing this the price jumps 700 dollars not 100.
What am i doing wrong?
Category 8: Stopover restrictions
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION IN SFO/LAX/SAN/DFW/CHI/NYC/BOS/YVR/JAPAN AT
USD 100.00 EACH.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
Category 9: Transfer restrictions
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN YVR/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A. IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN JAPAN IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.
Matrix prices it correctly if it stops in YVR, but I actually want to extend the mileage and stop in NYC rather than YVR (so NRT-JFK-LAX, not NRT-YVR-LAX). however pricing this the price jumps 700 dollars not 100.
What am i doing wrong?
Last edited by DrDrDr56; Apr 25, 2015 at 8:15 am
#970
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
trying to price a ticket in business class coming back from TYO to LAX. The rules are as following:
Category 8: Stopover restrictions
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION IN SFO/LAX/SAN/DFW/CHI/NYC/BOS/YVR/JAPAN AT
USD 100.00 EACH.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
Category 9: Transfer restrictions
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN YVR/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A. IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN JAPAN IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.
Matrix prices it correctly if it stops in YVR, but I actually want to extend the mileage and stop in NYC rather than YVR (so NRT-JFK-LAX, not NRT-YVR-JFK). however pricing this the price jumps 700 dollars not 100.
What am i doing wrong?
Category 8: Stopover restrictions
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION IN SFO/LAX/SAN/DFW/CHI/NYC/BOS/YVR/JAPAN AT
USD 100.00 EACH.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
Category 9: Transfer restrictions
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN YVR/CONTIGUOUS U.S.A. IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
FREE IN JAPAN IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.
Matrix prices it correctly if it stops in YVR, but I actually want to extend the mileage and stop in NYC rather than YVR (so NRT-JFK-LAX, not NRT-YVR-JFK). however pricing this the price jumps 700 dollars not 100.
What am i doing wrong?
Are you exceeding the maximum permitted mileage? (The MPM?) Does it price the same if you take the route but without the stopover?
#971
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: Olympian, no medals (non-elite status :p )
Posts: 122
How do I check the mpm or hip? I used NYC in advanced routing code on the return and also tried using multi city pricing. What else can I check?
#972
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
If you trigger the Higher Intermediate Point check, your fare may be repriced using a different fare, so see if the fares are the same.
As for the MPM, try routing through YVR but without stopping (for more than 24 hours 0 minutes). If the price is still high, I would guess it is an MPM issue rather than a stopover or HIP issue.
Edit: If you tell me the fare identifier I will find out the MPM for you. You can then use gcmap.com to see how your route compares. Exceeding the MPM up to 25% is allowed for a penalty.
Last edited by Calchas; Apr 25, 2015 at 5:12 am
#973
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: Olympian, no medals (non-elite status :p )
Posts: 122
See if there is anything in the HIP category of the fare rules.
If you trigger the Higher Intermediate Point check, your fare may be repriced using a different fare, so see if the fares are the same.
As for the MPM, try routing through YVR but without stopping (for more than 24 hours 0 minutes). If the price is still high, I would guess it is an MPM issue rather than a stopover or HIP issue.
Edit: If you tell me the fare identifier I will find out the MPM for you. You can then use gcmap.com to see how your route compares. Exceeding the MPM up to 25% is allowed for a penalty.
If you trigger the Higher Intermediate Point check, your fare may be repriced using a different fare, so see if the fares are the same.
As for the MPM, try routing through YVR but without stopping (for more than 24 hours 0 minutes). If the price is still high, I would guess it is an MPM issue rather than a stopover or HIP issue.
Edit: If you tell me the fare identifier I will find out the MPM for you. You can then use gcmap.com to see how your route compares. Exceeding the MPM up to 25% is allowed for a penalty.
i dont see anything about maximum permitted mileage.
I dont want to route through YVR. I want to route through JFK. YVR prices correctly, JFK does not. Or am I missing what you're saying? Sorry I have been doing a lot of homework the last week on ITA, and I want to qualify for Ex. Plat based on Points now (since I just took what I thought was a good deal to Tokyo but didnt realize that Q fares earn 30% (...?!) EQMs on JAL so that means that routing as I did SFO-MIA-DFW-NRT-JFK-PHX-SFO was all really just a useless exercise. what a pain in the arse. just try to max the new EQP promotion and be done with it and be more comfortable)
#974
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Japan Airlines (JL) XSX0N8D1 TYO to LAX
i dont see anything about maximum permitted mileage.
I dont want to route through YVR. I want to route through JFK. YVR prices correctly, JFK does not. Or am I missing what you're saying? Sorry I have been doing a lot of homework the last week on ITA, and I want to qualify for Ex. Plat based on Points now (since I just took what I thought was a good deal to Tokyo but didnt realize that Q fares earn 30% (...?!) EQMs on JAL so that means that routing as I did SFO-MIA-DFW-NRT-JFK-PHX-SFO was all really just a useless exercise. what a pain in the arse. just try to max the new EQP promotion and be done with it and be more comfortable)
i dont see anything about maximum permitted mileage.
I dont want to route through YVR. I want to route through JFK. YVR prices correctly, JFK does not. Or am I missing what you're saying? Sorry I have been doing a lot of homework the last week on ITA, and I want to qualify for Ex. Plat based on Points now (since I just took what I thought was a good deal to Tokyo but didnt realize that Q fares earn 30% (...?!) EQMs on JAL so that means that routing as I did SFO-MIA-DFW-NRT-JFK-PHX-SFO was all really just a useless exercise. what a pain in the arse. just try to max the new EQP promotion and be done with it and be more comfortable)
You want to use a TYOLAX fare via JFK? You cannot be surprised that this isn't allowed.
The fare permits a maximum mileage (in each direction) of 6549 miles.
TYO-JFK-LAX is approximately 9240 miles. (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=TYO-JFK-LAX)
Code:
Fare Routing Search: Departing LAX on 25/04/15 for TYO Fare basis code XSX0N8D1 Flying JL Routing via Pacific Routing code 01 V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG 1 XSX0N8D1 XR 3500.00 D31MR T30SE -/3 -/ 6M PA01 PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES FROM-LAX TO-TYO CXR-JL TVL-25APR15 RULE-PA06 IPRP/3 FARE BASIS-XSX0N8D1 SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP FARE TYPE-BXN RT-BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION NON REFUNDABLE USD 3500.00 MPM E15APR15 D31MAR16 FC-XSX0N8D1 FN-54 SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 14APR15/1919 EXPIRES INFINITY PUBLISHED RTG LAX-TYO/JL EF-15APR15 DIS-INDEF /VIA THE PACIFIC/ MPM 6549 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION .
#975
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: Olympian, no medals (non-elite status :p )
Posts: 122
ohhh. then why in the heck would it say you're allowed a stopover in NYC?
Anyways, where'd you find that mpm info? I didnt see it on the "rules" given by ITA?
Is there a tool to search the longest MPM on any of the AA Biz class fares?b
Anyways, where'd you find that mpm info? I didnt see it on the "rules" given by ITA?
Is there a tool to search the longest MPM on any of the AA Biz class fares?b