[milez.biz] Centralized Look-Up and Comparison Tool for Flight Award Rates
#1
Company Representative - Milez.biz
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2012
Programs: Aeroplan, Miles & More, Flying Blue
Posts: 69
[milez.biz] Centralized Look-Up and Comparison Tool for Flight Award Rates
Hi,
We launched milez.biz about a month ago in the hopes of making the flight redemption rates from the various frequent flyer programs more transparent. We noticed that our site has been mentioned in a couple of threads here so I thought Id start one specifically about the tool here. The site is here:
www.milez.biz
We continue to try to improve the tool so we welcome any feedback from the community.
Milez.biz is very simple: type two city names into the From and To fields, select from the auto-complete and let the calculator figure out what the rates for return flights between the two selected cities are. The rates in our database correspond to the rates published on the programs websites.
We have over 40 programs in the system and will be adding some more this week.
Rgds
ph
We launched milez.biz about a month ago in the hopes of making the flight redemption rates from the various frequent flyer programs more transparent. We noticed that our site has been mentioned in a couple of threads here so I thought Id start one specifically about the tool here. The site is here:
www.milez.biz
We continue to try to improve the tool so we welcome any feedback from the community.
Milez.biz is very simple: type two city names into the From and To fields, select from the auto-complete and let the calculator figure out what the rates for return flights between the two selected cities are. The rates in our database correspond to the rates published on the programs websites.
We have over 40 programs in the system and will be adding some more this week.
Rgds
ph
#3
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NYC
Programs: AAdvantage, British
Posts: 53
just looked at JFK-MIA
British Airways Executive Club Round trip in Economy (rate calculated via LHR) 90,000
Who would want to fly from JFK to MIA vie LHR? You could use 7500 avios on AA. The tool does not tell you that.
British Airways Executive Club Round trip in Economy (rate calculated via LHR) 90,000
Who would want to fly from JFK to MIA vie LHR? You could use 7500 avios on AA. The tool does not tell you that.
#6
Company Representative - Milez.biz
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Programs: Aeroplan, Miles & More, Flying Blue
Posts: 69
Hi again,
Alpha: We try to update the data all the time. The additional AA rates are on our to-do list.
alkotik: Funny you should mention this. The oneworld rates are tricky. Until now we only had the BA flights in the system. However, we are actually going to do a data update tonight or tomorrow which will include the oneworld rates for British Airways. You will then see the JFK-MIA round trip listed under the BA rates for 15,000.
ph
Alpha: We try to update the data all the time. The additional AA rates are on our to-do list.
alkotik: Funny you should mention this. The oneworld rates are tricky. Until now we only had the BA flights in the system. However, we are actually going to do a data update tonight or tomorrow which will include the oneworld rates for British Airways. You will then see the JFK-MIA round trip listed under the BA rates for 15,000.
ph
#7
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Freeload Univ. Where are you sitting?
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It would be extremely handy (not sure how you'd do it, though) if the result showed not only the miles but any significant YQ.
A naive user might use the tool and think there's no difference between flying, say JFK-LHR, on AA or BA, but when you add in the taxes and fees, it can be pretty significant.
A naive user might use the tool and think there's no difference between flying, say JFK-LHR, on AA or BA, but when you add in the taxes and fees, it can be pretty significant.
#8
Company Representative - Milez.biz
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Programs: Aeroplan, Miles & More, Flying Blue
Posts: 69
Hi BigLar,
Fees, surcharges etc. are somewhat complex bc they are not handled in a standard manner across all programs. We are trying to figure out a way to show this information in a meaningful way so that it is valid across the board.
Rgds
ph
Fees, surcharges etc. are somewhat complex bc they are not handled in a standard manner across all programs. We are trying to figure out a way to show this information in a meaningful way so that it is valid across the board.
Rgds
ph
Last edited by Phlee; Feb 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm
#10
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Programs: Aeroplan, Miles & More, Flying Blue
Posts: 69
Is YQ something that every program will charge?
Is there an exact definition of YQ?
If I understand correctly, some programs will let you use miles and with some you must use cash.
It would really only be useful, if we could show actual amounts (be it in miles or in some currency), would it not?
(sounds like a lot of research!)
In some cases we add certain taxes directly into the calculation (e.g. Qantas domestic in AU and NZ) but maybe it would be best to to display this differently. We would need to find a way to do this uniformly across the board.
ph
Is there an exact definition of YQ?
If I understand correctly, some programs will let you use miles and with some you must use cash.
It would really only be useful, if we could show actual amounts (be it in miles or in some currency), would it not?
(sounds like a lot of research!)
In some cases we add certain taxes directly into the calculation (e.g. Qantas domestic in AU and NZ) but maybe it would be best to to display this differently. We would need to find a way to do this uniformly across the board.
ph
#12
Join Date: May 2011
Location: CT
Programs: HHonors Silver
Posts: 429
Is YQ something that every program will charge?
Is there an exact definition of YQ?
If I understand correctly, some programs will let you use miles and with some you must use cash.
It would really only be useful, if we could show actual amounts (be it in miles or in some currency), would it not?
(sounds like a lot of research!)
In some cases we add certain taxes directly into the calculation (e.g. Qantas domestic in AU and NZ) but maybe it would be best to to display this differently. We would need to find a way to do this uniformly across the board.
ph
Is there an exact definition of YQ?
If I understand correctly, some programs will let you use miles and with some you must use cash.
It would really only be useful, if we could show actual amounts (be it in miles or in some currency), would it not?
(sounds like a lot of research!)
In some cases we add certain taxes directly into the calculation (e.g. Qantas domestic in AU and NZ) but maybe it would be best to to display this differently. We would need to find a way to do this uniformly across the board.
ph
I BigLar's example, using your website, looking JFK-LHR for AA & BA, it shows AA need 60K, BA 40K for economy.
But if you actually look at ticketing, AA prob charge 60K + $150. While BA will charge 40K + $600. The main difference in $ is YQ.
So, just by looking at miles, you'd think BA is better, but in reality, I'd say most ppl would choose AA option.
#13
Join Date: May 2011
Location: YYC
Programs: AC E, Priority Club Plat, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 215
Love it!
A very nice site. I appreciate the easy use of the search function. I also like the fact that some results would indicate how the flight would be mapped and priced (point wise). For example searching SIN-CGK would yield, among others, Qantas FF. The required miles is 60,000 but it's for flights connecting through PER.
I think attempting to show YQ can be very tricky as within a ff program itself there are different rules for applying YQ. And showing them in the result page could potentially create a very difficult page to read as opposed to right now.
A couple things I'd like to note:
1. Krisflyer sometimes would show up in a search result and sometimes won't when it's very possible to use KF for *alliance flights. (e.g., EWR-LAX)
2. In the above example of SIN-CGK, wouldn't Qantas have a one-world partner pricing that's cheaper and more direct?
3. Searching for CGK-DPS would yield results that I think would be impossible to be found (or maybe not).
Overall, love it and looking forward for to utilize it in the future.
Cheers!
I think attempting to show YQ can be very tricky as within a ff program itself there are different rules for applying YQ. And showing them in the result page could potentially create a very difficult page to read as opposed to right now.
A couple things I'd like to note:
1. Krisflyer sometimes would show up in a search result and sometimes won't when it's very possible to use KF for *alliance flights. (e.g., EWR-LAX)
2. In the above example of SIN-CGK, wouldn't Qantas have a one-world partner pricing that's cheaper and more direct?
3. Searching for CGK-DPS would yield results that I think would be impossible to be found (or maybe not).
Overall, love it and looking forward for to utilize it in the future.
Cheers!
#14
Join Date: May 2010
Location: WAS
Programs: Lotz
Posts: 1,534
May be asking too much
but it would be great to show what airlines charge on partners too. Very often a partner charges less than an airline's own reward program.
Also I notice only some of the airlines show their off-peak or seasonal awards.
Thanks !
Also I notice only some of the airlines show their off-peak or seasonal awards.
Thanks !
Last edited by tassojunior; Feb 7, 2012 at 8:43 pm
#15
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 297
I've used the site a decent amount in the past month and agree with others that it is a great idea. Here are my major suggestions (some echo what others say).
1. Putting in off-peak amount for airlines that offer those specials (i.e. AA)
2. Including fuel surcharges, as they can make an award ticket "not worth it". If it is too hard to put a certain amount in, you could use a yes or no.
Other than those two things, I'd simply say that you could add more airlines. Overall though, this is a great tool.
1. Putting in off-peak amount for airlines that offer those specials (i.e. AA)
2. Including fuel surcharges, as they can make an award ticket "not worth it". If it is too hard to put a certain amount in, you could use a yes or no.
Other than those two things, I'd simply say that you could add more airlines. Overall though, this is a great tool.