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Old Dec 21, 2014, 4:22 pm
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Is an airplane "hackable?"

If I was an evil-doer, say someone like a North-Korean hacker or ISIL/AQ terror guy bent on destruction of the West, I might want to gain control over an aircraft's control system. Is this something that can be done through hacking? Are such systems at all connected to the internet?

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Old Dec 21, 2014, 4:41 pm
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Definitely.

(OP reported to appropriate authorities because of what he's planning)
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 4:44 pm
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Definitely.

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LOL. When you say "Definitely," is this based upon knowledge of the systems, a guess, or are you just jesting? More information would make your comment more appreciable.
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 5:21 pm
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 5:34 pm
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Any computer system is hackable.
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 5:43 pm
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To this day, I think the Malaysian Airlines flight, that went missing, was stolen. Hacked? Perhaps not, but I think stolen is possible. Now feel free to tell me to stick my tinfoil hat where the sun don't shine .
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 7:45 pm
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
Any computer system is hackable.
If you can get to it. Aircraft are not "online".
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 7:54 pm
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
If you can get to it. Aircraft are not "online".
Indeed, basic security. I would also expect to find the IFE system is totally divorced from the avionics package, or the interface is so basic that it's not hackable, so no, you can't plug your iPad into the IFE system and upload a virus. Real life is not a Roland Emmerich movie
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 9:39 pm
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
If you can get to it. Aircraft are not "online".
Correct. The most basic (and perhaps most effective) security there is.
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by SpannerSpinner
Indeed, basic security. I would also expect to find the IFE system is totally divorced from the avionics package, or the interface is so basic that it's not hackable, so no, you can't plug your iPad into the IFE system and upload a virus. Real life is not a Roland Emmerich movie
Also correct. IFE isn't a part of, say, the FMS or EICAS. The closest they get is that they (occasionally) share a power supply (GenX, APU, GPU, etc). However I be willing to bet the IFE does NOT work on battery or ADG power (i.e. emergency sources).
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 9:51 pm
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True, but it doesn't have to be online for it to happen. Someone (like maintenance) could plug in a rogue USB thumb drive or something that is otherwise infected - see the famous Stuxnet virus, which infiltrated an airgapped (not network connected) Iranian nuclear facility.
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Old Dec 21, 2014, 10:09 pm
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Most of the avionics packages in those airplanes are somewhat old and cannot be directly attached to a thumb drive. Even in the newer glass-panel aircraft, the entire system has to be physically removed. The primary driver for this is security and stability - you really don't want to have something that hasn't been tested and re-tested guiding an airplane on a long (or even short) flight in questionable weather.

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Old Dec 22, 2014, 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
If you can get to it. Aircraft are not "online".
Allow me to play devil's advocate. Aircraft are in communication with the airlines' maintenance facilities, right? Is it two way communication or is the aircraft only capable of sending information, not receiving it?

I too thought aircraft weren't online in the usual sense, but then thought of this...
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Old Dec 22, 2014, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by theskunk
Most of the avionics packages in those airplanes are somewhat old and cannot be directly attached to a thumb drive. Even in the newer glass-panel aircraft, the entire system has to be physically removed. The primary driver for this is security and stability - you really don't want to have something that hasn't been tested and re-tested guiding an airplane on a long (or even short) flight in questionable weather.

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Old Dec 22, 2014, 10:36 am
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It's next to impossible, arguably impossible (but I guess nothing really is). There's someone on the AC FT board who works directly in this line of work. PM Jaysona if you have questions, he might answer as long as you guys don't pile all your questions on him!
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