Need Recommendations For New 500 GB 2.5 Inch Internal SSD And Cloning Software
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Need Recommendations For New 500 GB 2.5 Inch Internal SSD And Cloning Software
There have been a few threads here that have discussed SSDs, some of them using terms I can barely understand.
I have a 2.5 inch 256 GB internal SSD on my Sony F series i7 laptop. It's a Toshiba OEM model.
There are lots of possibilities on Amazon including this one which seems to be a successor to what I already own. Nevertheless, I have heard of other names like Seagate, Samsung, OCZ, Crucial, Sandisk and even Intel. So many choices with no idea which is better.
Also, I will have to clone the existing SSD before I can put in the new one. I own at least one USB external enclosure and a SATA-to-USB cable. Do I need a specific program? I already own CMS Bounce Back Ultimate 11. Would this work or should I get something else? (I see some SSDs are sold with cloning software.)
Also, are there any special steps that have to be done or once you copy the drive you just install the new one?
I have a 2.5 inch 256 GB internal SSD on my Sony F series i7 laptop. It's a Toshiba OEM model.
There are lots of possibilities on Amazon including this one which seems to be a successor to what I already own. Nevertheless, I have heard of other names like Seagate, Samsung, OCZ, Crucial, Sandisk and even Intel. So many choices with no idea which is better.
Also, I will have to clone the existing SSD before I can put in the new one. I own at least one USB external enclosure and a SATA-to-USB cable. Do I need a specific program? I already own CMS Bounce Back Ultimate 11. Would this work or should I get something else? (I see some SSDs are sold with cloning software.)
Also, are there any special steps that have to be done or once you copy the drive you just install the new one?
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There have been a few threads here that have discussed SSDs, some of them using terms I can barely understand.
I have a 2.5 inch 256 GB internal SSD on my Sony F series i7 laptop. It's a Toshiba OEM model.
There are lots of possibilities on Amazon including this one which seems to be a successor to what I already own. Nevertheless, I have heard of other names like Seagate, Samsung, OCZ, Crucial, Sandisk and even Intel. So many choices with no idea which is better.
I have a 2.5 inch 256 GB internal SSD on my Sony F series i7 laptop. It's a Toshiba OEM model.
There are lots of possibilities on Amazon including this one which seems to be a successor to what I already own. Nevertheless, I have heard of other names like Seagate, Samsung, OCZ, Crucial, Sandisk and even Intel. So many choices with no idea which is better.
If there is another one you're looking at and would like an opinion on, feel free to drop a few more links.
Longer answer: price, reliability, speed. Which is more important to you? Which is second? Which is least? There is also some impact to battery life differences, although it's less well documented.
The model I'd have recommended first as a good balance of performance and reliablity has been discontinued (Intel 520 series 480gb and when still available in channel is badly overpriced); the replacement (530-series) is not yet available.
At a really high level, virtually every brand sells a "slower" and a "faster" model, using different grades of flash (there are more than two; a few brands sell more than two grades in their line, but most pick two.) This will mainly be visible only if you're writing very large blocks of data at once, where the faster grades will write at least somewhat faster and in some cases, much much faster.
There are differences between controller models. If you're a very heavy user (especially in terms of the write performance you need), you'll want to read up on the differences. Heavy writes means you write out multigigabyte files and the difference between 200MB/second writes and 500MB/second writes sounds like an important thing rather than "OMG, those are both extremely fast" (remember that a wired ethernet cable is 1Gbit or 100-125MB/sec, so there are relatively few ways to copy stuff onto your machine as fast as even the slower drives.)
I've dealt with too many models at work and seen quirks to pretty much ALL of them to have a really emphatic recommendation for any of the others I've worked with. At the same time, the workloads we're dealing with count as "abusive" by most standards, so they're not very instructive of whether most people would notice the difference.
In the absence of an Intel 480gb I can recommend highly, three worth looking at:
Corsair Force GS 480gb -- $420, uses the same Sandforce controller as the Intel, and for one of the second-tier companies Corsair has probably got the best customer service if you do hit a problem. Very fast for "normal" workloads not involving a lot of compressed data, and less prone to the "I'm full" slowdown that Samsung and some others get. This is a very mature controller, with the firmware bugs worked out of it long since.
Samsung 840 Series 500gb -- $319 probably the slowest drive you're likely to look at, but fine for most users, and cheap as anything else... plus Samsung has an excellent reputation for reliability. This is being replaced with a newer model, the 840 EVO, which may be faster but is brand new and slightly faster -- I'd wait a few months for the firmware bugs to be worked out. (There is also the 840 Pro 512gb, which is very fast when new, but suffers badly from slowdown as the drive ages. Still quite fast for most people, but -- only about 6 months into the drive -- I wouldn't pay the premium over the regular 840 again.)
Also, I will have to clone the existing SSD before I can put in the new one. I own at least one USB external enclosure and a SATA-to-USB cable. Do I need a specific program? I already own CMS Bounce Back Ultimate 11. Would this work or should I get something else? (I see some SSDs are sold with cloning software.)
Also, are there any special steps that have to be done or once you copy the drive you just install the new one?
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The m500 is a slow-ish drive, by current standards -- appears to be us-- although that is very unlikely to matter to most people, and the availability of a halfway-affordable 960gb drive is a huge plus.
At the smaller sizes, they don't seem particularly compelling to me -- the Sandforce-based drives are not much more expensive and are faster on most workloads, and the Samsung 840 (non-Pro is still quite a bit cheaper) with a better reputation for reliability.
That said, the plural of anecdote isn't data, and my own bad experiences with the m4 (and Marvell controllers in general) don't seem to be commonly reported.
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At the smaller sizes, they don't seem particularly compelling to me -- the Sandforce-based drives are not much more expensive and are faster on most workloads, and the Samsung 840 (non-Pro is still quite a bit cheaper) with a better reputation for reliability.
That said, the plural of anecdote isn't data, and my own bad experiences with the m4 (and Marvell controllers in general) don't seem to be commonly reported.
That said, the plural of anecdote isn't data, and my own bad experiences with the m4 (and Marvell controllers in general) don't seem to be commonly reported.
Here is a page showing the results of 500 GB 2.5 inch SSD sold by amazon.com with 20 drives shown. Is there any one you would suggest? My OEM drive is a Toshiba.
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Here is a page showing the results of 500 GB 2.5 inch SSD sold by amazon.com with 20 drives shown. Is there any one you would suggest? My OEM drive is a Toshiba.
That said, for the thrifty, the prices on the Samsung 840 (non-Pro) 500gb ($319) and SanDisk Extreme SSD 480 GB ($330) are so good right now it's hard not to point out that for most people out there there's no reason to consider paying for a $400+ drive.
Much longer answer blogged here: CubicleHermit: Grumpy-sysadmin SSD recommendations, including a bunch of the questions I'd ask to figure out what to recommend.
If you can say more about your workload, I can refine the recommendations.
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Much longer answer blogged here: CubicleHermit: Grumpy-sysadmin SSD recommendations, including a bunch of the questions I'd ask to figure out what to recommend.
A photographer friend of mine suggested the Crucial m4 512GB 2.5-Inch (9.5mm) SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive CT512M4SSD2 but I doubt he knows what a controller is.
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I'm a lawyer. If I am awake, Outlook 2010 is running. About to switch to the latest version. Also use Word regularly, have numerous IE and FF tabs and Windows always open. I am a big user of both Windows Search and Outlook Search (at least I think these are separate functions, ). Also Acrobat and Photoshop Elements.
My guess is from what you've said, unless you're producing gigabytes of photos or new Acrobat documents daily, you should probably focus on price/reliablity, which would suggest the Samsung 840 (non-Pro.)
That said, since you're already on an SSD and are looking to move up from a 256gb model, what's your drive mainly filled with? Documents? Photos? Movies/music?
A photographer friend of mine suggested the Crucial m4 512GB 2.5-Inch (9.5mm) SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive CT512M4SSD2 but I doubt he knows what a controller is.
The price is pretty good at about $360.
The down side is that it's the same same drive (although I had the 256gb version) that crapped out on me twice. This was with the version of the firmware which was current in Jan 2012, so we're talking quite a while back, but it put me off Marvell controllers and Crucial (and among other things, took out the local copy of my Outlook mailbox file, twice.)
Performance-wise, the newer Crucial m500 480gb is probably worth the ~$20 difference in price, although you're also losing 32gb of space.
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*LOL* Well, not SATA ones. A 512MB CompactFlash card IS really a (mod 12mb) very slow 500MB-ish PATA SSD. I'm pretty sure I've got a couple kicking around in drawers somewhere, although they might be 256MB or 128MB
(My first SSD was an 8GB CF card, in an adapter*. It proved too slow for the application I was hoping it would be good for, and I ended up biting the bullet for a then-super-expensive 80gb 1st-generation Intel drive. Haven't looked back to disk since.)
(* passive one, kind of like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822998002 )
(My first SSD was an 8GB CF card, in an adapter*. It proved too slow for the application I was hoping it would be good for, and I ended up biting the bullet for a then-super-expensive 80gb 1st-generation Intel drive. Haven't looked back to disk since.)
(* passive one, kind of like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822998002 )
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(My first SSD was an 8GB CF card, in an adapter*. It proved too slow for the application I was hoping it would be good for, and I ended up biting the bullet for a then-super-expensive 80gb 1st-generation Intel drive. Haven't looked back to disk since.)
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(There are a lot of servers these days which can boot off of embedded SD card slot, and you could probably find a 512mb SD card to put in there. Still not what most people think of as SSDs, quite possibly even slower than the CF card, but perhaps a more common case than using CF with a passive adapter...)
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I think I would spend up to $500 for this. Since you mentioned going down to 480 GB, what about the Seagate?
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(* both of which are a very great deal harder and require a recovery key, since they simulate how someone would get at your data if your laptop was stolen.)
This one? And why "non-Pro?"
Why not the 840 Pro? Because it's ~$120 more expensive, and the main difference is performance... but once you're in that price range, unless you're buying for the Samsung brand name, there are options out there which will actually stay fast when you use them heavily.
Single largest file is a PST. After that, documents (a few thousand DOC and PDF) and JPEGs (also a few thousand but taking less space).
I think I would spend up to $500 for this. Since you mentioned going down to 480 GB, what about the Seagate?
Longer answer: I don't have any track record with Seagate consumer SSDs -- those are the first ones out there and we haven't sampled them at work yet -- but they're very well-regarded in the enterprise SSD space. Those Seagate 600 drives (there's also a "Pro" model using a faster grade of flash, although not sold directly by Amazon) use the same LAMD controller as the Corsair Neutron drives we've standardized on for database use at work and have been very pleased with. The published benchmarks have been very good, and the controller is definitely not prone to the same really severe slowdown with age that the Samsung is.
Review here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6935/s...0-ssd-review/5
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As for paying "up to $500," the question is, what's the incremental benefit to paying more? Of course, if you want to go all the way out to about $570 you can get that Crucial 960gb.
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Assuming the drive is not encrypted using Microsoft Bitlocker, I recommend a free and open-source program called CloneZilla. It's about a 100MB ISO file, burns to CD or can be copied to a USB key, boots, and it's pretty easy.