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Ok. We need a new rule. Anytime someone says, "its against the law" they have to cite the penal code. TSORON - it is not against the law in most places. I've carried my gun openly at LAX without breaking the law.
That O in your name should imply that you have at least a very basic understanding of laws you attempt or pretend to enforce.
Ok. We need a new rule. Anytime someone says, "its against the law" they have to cite the penal code. TSORON - it is not against the law in most places. I've carried my gun openly at LAX without breaking the law.
That O in your name should imply that you have at least a very basic understanding of laws you attempt or pretend to enforce.
Wow, are you folks intentionally misreading what I type? Didnt I say that I couldnt speak for LAX? Did you miss that jello? Didnt I give the conditions at my airport for transporting a firearm? Its not in California, in case you missed that implication.
I can’t speak for LAX, but I do know that it is illegal to bring a firearm onto airport property unless one is a credentialed law enforcement officer or is traveling on an aircraft, in my state. I have also read many stories from the TSA intelligence brief where a person attempts to declare a firearm at the ticket counter at JFK and ends up going to jail for it. Don’t know why, but it seems that the JFK cops consider it a concealed weapon and one cannot transport a concealed weapon in the state of New York without a New York Concealed Carry Permit.
That would be the cops there exceeding their authority and violating Federal law, actually (FOPA '86, to be precise). They've been shot down, you should pardon the pun, every single time as far as I know, but they keep harassing those trying to travel in America with properly-cased and -declared firearms, because NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE COPS IN QUESTION WHEN THEY DO IT.
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That being said, one must remember that California and New York are two of the most restrictive states for firearms ownership and transport. This should not surprise anyone.
Surprise? No. Dismay? Yes. And, for the record, wasn't this thread about someone with firearms in his personal vehicle - as in, NOT trying to fly with them? Not even getting them out of his personal truck? So, the documented fact that JFK LEOs seem to make a habit out of violating FOPA '86 doesn't really seem to be RELEVANT to this issue. Perhaps we could stay on topic - that the guy in the OP really DOESN'T seem to have broken any laws.
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Fair enough - what state are you in, and what is the penal code that makes bringing a firearm onto airport property illegal? You understand that people can only be arrested for violating a penal code, right?
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I can’t speak for LAX, but I do know that it is illegal to bring a firearm onto airport property unless one is a credentialed law enforcement officer or is traveling on an aircraft, in my state.
I think it would be fair to say that laws vary with jurisdictions. I think it would also be fair to say that once a firearm is brought into a security checkpoint, it becomes a federal matter.
At my airport, it is illegal to bring firearms (exceptions noted). Signs are posted at the entrances to the terminals.
I guess it's too much to expect people to attempt to understand this from a law enforcement perspective. Instead, it's easier to whine with the rest of the sheeple, er, I mean, esteemed frequent travelers, about the injustice meted out by the LAX police.
So you're saying the security checkpoint covers the ENTIRE airport including parking lots, ramps, etc? Since when?
I Instead, it's easier to whine with the rest of the sheeple, er, I mean, esteemed frequent travelers, about the injustice meted out by the LAX police.
So it is ok for you to use the term "sheeple", but you think it is childish to call TSO's "idiots".........
I think it would be fair to say that laws vary with jurisdictions. I think it would also be fair to say that once a firearm is brought into a security checkpoint, it becomes a federal matter.
At my airport, it is illegal to bring firearms (exceptions noted). Signs are posted at the entrances to the terminals.
I guess it's too much to expect people to attempt to understand this from a law enforcement perspective. Instead, it's easier to whine with the rest of the sheeple, er, I mean, esteemed frequent travelers, about the injustice meted out by the LAX police.
Bart I agree with you that trying to bring a weapon through a TSA screening checkpoint is a prohibited action.
However this guy was on the roadway entering the airport.
"LOS ANGELES (AP) ― A driver of a grey Chevy Silverado was detained after officials recovered 16 guns from his truck during a routine checkpoint at LAX.
CBS
A motorist with more than a dozen guns -- two of them loaded -- and nearly 1,000 rounds of ammunition in his pickup truck was arrested Friday at a vehicle checkpoint as he entered Los Angeles International Airport, authorities said. "
At what point does TSA rules takeover from local law? He was not trying to enter a terminal or pass through to the secure area of the airport.
I guess it is to much for TSA and LEO's to understand that citizens have rights!
I think it would be fair to say that laws vary with jurisdictions. I think it would also be fair to say that once a firearm is brought into a security checkpoint, it becomes a federal matter.
The checkpoint in this case is just west of the corner of Century and Sepulveda, hundreds of yards east of Terminal 1 at LAX. It's not a TSA checkpoint into a sterile area. Bringing a firearm thru that checkpoint is not a federal matter.
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At my airport, it is illegal to bring firearms (exceptions noted). Signs are posted at the entrances to the terminals.
Screeners' assertions of what's legal and what's not are notoriously unreliable, as in this thread. In Texas, 30.06 signs are meaningless if posted by government entities. Wal-Mart can prohibit guns but governments generally may not.
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I guess it's too much to expect people to attempt to understand this from a law enforcement perspective. Instead, it's easier to whine with the rest of the sheeple, er, I mean, esteemed frequent travelers, about the injustice meted out by the LAX police.
I guess it's too much to expect an airport screener to understand this case from a legal perspective. Instead, it's easier to shoot one's mouth off without any understanding of the facts or the law in Mr Dominguez' case. "Law enforcement perspective?" Sounds like someone is an LEO wannabe. Wouldn't be the first screener to possess such delusions.
If I did anything that terrible, don’t you think they would have let me off so lightly? I got a $ 120.00 dollar fine. They dismissed 10 felonies and I get all of my guns back. The bottom line is they over reacted and my lawyers and the DA saw this... They had to save face over the circus the LAPD and the media created. By the way Trutanich and Michael out of Long Beach, Ca. are the best money can buy... The LAPD wanted prison time and wanted to all of the guns. 87 guns that range from civil war era to today’s modern assault weapons. I have been collecting since I was 8 years old. Unfortunately I have also collected exotic weapons such as "Tom Allen’s" killing knifes collection along with various martial arts weapons and even Mid Evil weapons. They took 148 Items from my safes. Some of you collect stamps, bugs, purses, coins, shoes and watches. I collect weapons from as far back as I can. For the life of me if I would have thought that if you could by it over the counter at a store at the mall or at the swap meet that it would be legal.... go figure that.
Just like what they originally arrested me for "transportation of a registered assault weapon" what kind of $hit is that? You can legally own it, shoot it, but you can’t drive with it. Makes no sense.
So I questioned my lawyer, most of the weapons you can get at the swap meet or the local mall. They wont bust them for selling it because the cities paying there wages profit off the taxes. Then they profit off busting your A$$ for it. When someone can tell me why that is, let me know...
You can take a after market piece and bolt it to your gun and they can get you for Manufacturing, but the leave the factory’s making the stuff they tried to hang on me alone along with the stores that sell the stuff.
And we are the land of the free?? Think again.....it’s only free if you were not borne here or don’t pay taxes or have money...comment on that
. They took 148 Items from my safes. Some of you collect stamps, bugs, purses, coins, shoes and watches. I collect weapons from as far back as I can. For the life of me if I would have thought that if you could by it over the counter at a store at the mall or at the swap meet that it would be legal.... go figure that.
Just like what they originally arrested me for "transportation of a registered assault weapon" what kind of $hit is that? You can legally own it, shoot it, but you can’t drive with it. Makes no sense.
No argument with what your saying.
Here in Texas Gun Shows are a big thing. I have seen ammo marked for Law Enforcement Use Only and its common to see switch blade knives on the tables. Heck these people hire police to provide security yet they allow these items to be sold.
I know switch blades are illegal and I'm fairly certain the the ammo I mentioned is restricted to its stated purpose.
I guess the old saying, Let the buyer beware, applies.
At what point does TSA rules takeover from local law? He was not trying to enter a terminal or pass through to the secure area of the airport.
I guess it is to much for TSA and LEO's to understand that citizens have rights!
Blue shirts (TSA screeners) man the airport roadway checkpoints along with local LE and sometimes CBP at LAX. The roadway checkpoints into the airport are operated virtually every day, and I regularly see them interrogating people entering the airport. There are no signs at the roadway checkpoints regarding weapons.
Blue shirts (TSA screeners) man the airport roadway checkpoints along with local LE and sometimes CBP at LAX. The roadway checkpoints into the airport are operated virtually every day, and I regularly see them interrogating people entering the airport.
How is that legal? I thought the 4th Amendment only stopped existing at the checkpoint, not at the start of the airport property.
