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In reality, if he would have been pulled over for a minor traffic infraction and the police would have inspected his vehicle with the reasonable articulate suspicion that weapons were present, then he would not have been guilty of anything, as long as he was on his way to the weapons range. His assault weapon permit permits travel with the weapons to a gun range or to a place of repair. It was the stopping at LAX to pick up a friend that was the part in question.
We don't need more laws regarding firearms. I'm opposed to gun control. However, with gun ownership comes responsibility. I make it a point to know where all my firearms are at all times and the status of each weapon. I don't ever "accidentally" bring a weapon with me to the airport. My personal opinion is that if a person can't exercise that level of responsibility, then that person probably has no business owning a firearm. But that's opinion. I understand and fully support the constitutional protection.
Fair enough?
I agree Bart, we don't need more laws regarding firearms, if you want a gun you MUST be responsible for it at all times. So taking what you have stated, out of curiosity what do you think should have happened to Alvin Crabtree, he seems reeeallly responsible with his firearms? Note my saracasm ;-)
I do it every week. In Michigan, I carry a concealed weapons permit which specifically allows it. Facilities that serve alchohol, on the other hand, are off limits (and I have NO problem with that!).
The cops and the media blew this stop and story way out of reality. If there were really some malicious intent, don't you think that the guy would have loaded every gun?
Same in Florida. Absolutely no problem bringing a loaded gun into a bank.
I'm not sure which parts of airports are Federal. If the driveway leading up to pick someone up is Federal, I suppose they could have their own rules. But if not, then as long as the guns aren't loaded, there should be no problem there either.
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1. I was there to pick up a friend, verified with in 5 minutes of being detained.
2. There is no law against bring any number of firearms to the airport, how do you think hunters and compitition shooters travel with there firearms.
3. I was stopped at 9:30 am, I have touneau cover over the bed. I declared the firearms as perscribed by law. he said "I need to call a supervisior" they detained my friend until 4:00 pm and pretty much just said "walk" he was from Baltimore. he verified my story for eight hours. I wasnt arrested until 6:30 pm. they couldnt find anything that I did wrong, all of the weapons were locked up. the two that were loaded, one was a black powder pistol that had a fouled round in it( you need a extractor to remove the lead ball) and the other was a thirty eight revolver that was put in the case loaded by mistake from the gun safe at my house. They finally arrested me for (get this) felony transportation of a registered assault weapon. I had all of the regsistrations and bills of sale and even the DROS tickets with the guns in the cases. they say that the law says "to and from the range". I was going to the range, they stopped me.
4. I was given my first phone call at 8:30 pm, my wife and family saw it on the 6:00 news. I made bail at 10:30 pm by posting 50K
5. When they realized that they had made a mistake and created that media circus they had to find something, so two days later the LAPD Swat team came to my Orange County home and raided my home like I was a gang banging drug dealer and drug me and my wife and little girls out at gun point. they were in my home for seven hours while I was cuffed sitting on my couch.
I have been collecting weapons since i was eight years old. They took another 67 guns that were locked in my safe along with some throwing stars and nu chucks.
6. When the DA got the case, she knew it was ......... so the 11 felonys were dropped. I plead "No Contest" misdermeanor to nu chucks a 120 dollar fine, 8 days comm. service and I get all of my stuff back...
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SNIP> 5. When they realized that they had made a mistake and created that media circus they had to find something, so two days later the LAPD Swat team came to my Orange County home and raided my home like I was a gang banging drug dealer and drug me and my wife and little girls out at gun point. they were in my home for seven hours while I was cuffed sitting on my couch.
I love California, but could never live there because of nonsense like that.
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1) They raided your house looking for something illegal.
2) The reason for the raid was that you were accused of doing something illegal at the airport, which turned out to be legal, actually (they didn't charge you with a crime).
3) During that search the found illegal nunchuks.
4) You paid a fine.
Summary: Random search of home finds nunchuks. Person pays fine and lots and lots of legal costs and time.
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You hit the nail on the head, I had the best lawyer firm in the land when it comes to firearms. Trutanich and Micheal ( I think they proved it ) and they are not cheap, not to mention the 50K to bail out. Yes I will get it back, but it cost me penalities to cash in CDs early. not to mention my wife and kids and what they went through. All of my neighbors seeing us laying cuffed and sitting on the curb in front of the home where everybody going to work at that time of the morning could Gaulk at us.
They are trampling our second and forth admendment rights in the name of law enforcement.
Just think, If I wasnt in the posistion to afford bail or the best lawyers???
1) They raided your house looking for something illegal.
2) The reason for the raid was that you were accused of doing something illegal at the airport, which turned out to be legal, actually (they didn't charge you with a crime).
3) During that search the found illegal nunchuks.
4) You paid a fine.
Summary: Random search of home finds nunchuks. Person pays fine and lots and lots of legal costs and time.
And that, friends, is the way the government does business.
Seriously.
The Feds love to do it too: "If we can't make him pay in jail, we'll make him pay and pay to lawyers".
It's part of the reason asset seizures are so popular: they don't have to prove anything, but you must spend a bundle to get your property back. Oh, and let's not forget the ever popular "you don't pay our salaries, tax money does".
Phil - thank you for stopping by! Wow, the real deal right here.
What was the sequence of events? Can you detail the time-line from your arrival at the LAX checkpoint, the extended detention and ultimate arrest?
From your prior posts, it seems as if you were cooperative from the get-go and thought that this misunderstanding would be cleared up in a couple of minutes.
And your friend had to endure detention as well - what was his experience? Pulled aside at the luggage carousel, stopped at the gate, or maybe out front waiting by the curb?
This entire thing is just so sad and so friggin wrong -- what was the warrant for when they searched the house? I wouldn't be surprised if there was damage to the home because they were careless and you get left with that bill, as well. Sorry you had to go through it.
If I'm not mistaken, bringing a loaded weapon onto airport property is illegal with very few exceptions. Happening to stop by the airport on the way to target practice is probably not one of those exceptions.
With respect to LAX, you are mistaken. IIRC, the idiot (civilian, not TSA) in charge of ATL has threatened to arrest holders of lawful firearms if they carry on airport property, despite a Georgia law expressly permitting concealed carry in the non-sterile areas.
Phil: Thanks for stopping by and welcome to Flyertalk.
Certainly sounds like the pigs tried their damndest to find something once their initial mistakes were made. Typical of law enforcement when not lead by competent, professional leadership. And the LAX Police lack professional leadership.
It would be wonderful to see the morons be ordered to pay you a few million for the injustice.
1) Man + Gun(s) never attempted to enter a secure zone
2) No, the general airport area is NOT a secure zone
3) A Sgt. is quoted as saying the man made a bad decision. Total Bollocks!
4) Check the vehicles parked at any parking lot/garage of any american airport and if you come up with less than one fire arm per 25 cars, I'd be very surprised (make it 1 per 10 for DFW).
I can’t speak for LAX, but I do know that it is illegal to bring a firearm onto airport property unless one is a credentialed law enforcement officer or is traveling on an aircraft, in my state. I have also read many stories from the TSA intelligence brief where a person attempts to declare a firearm at the ticket counter at JFK and ends up going to jail for it. Don’t know why, but it seems that the JFK cops consider it a concealed weapon and one cannot transport a concealed weapon in the state of New York without a New York Concealed Carry Permit.
That being said, one must remember that California and New York are two of the most restrictive states for firearms ownership and transport. This should not surprise anyone.
none of you have the facts
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