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Originally Posted by goalie
a leo for the tsa but not a fam does exist in the i/g's office. that was goalie-sis up until friday. she got fed up with the b/s and other associated fubars and snafus and was on the verge of burnout so she's now gone into the private sector.
Maybe she knew law dawg then?
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"We Will Not Be Silent" is a statement attributed to a student-resistance movement in Nazi Germany called The White Rose. It is a statement of purpose, intended to inspire acts of resistance and dissent against a corrupt government that abuses its power, and abandons the rule of law.
All of us who believe in our freedom and that of others, and are against a policy of war, torture and lies, cannot afford to be silent.
-http://thecriticalvoice.org/
There seems to be another legal issue here besides free speech or discrimination. An airplane ticket is a legal contract. Doesn't the airline have to honor it?
Even if the CocC or some law or government rule says that the airline can deny boarding to passengers who the airline has reason to believe will be some sort of threat, surely a reasonableness test applies. (In fact, Jetblue's CoC specifically says that boarding can be denied to "assengers whose transportation on Carrier is reasonably deemed by Carrier to be inadvisable or inappropriate due to special circumstances..." [emphasis added.]) No matter what catch-all clauses apply, surely a passenger with a valid ticket can't be denied boarding because an airline employee doesn't like the passenger's attitude, or hears the passenger criticize a talk radio host, or sees the passenger carrying a copy of a book by a liberal or a conservative author. Does denying boarding because of a t-shirt slogan fall into this unreasonable category?
Idle thought: What would happen if a vaguely middle-eastern looking man tried to board an airplane wearing a t-shirt reading "God bless America the Greatest Country in the world," printed only in Arabic?
If on AA in Dallas he would be upgraded to First Class
If in Tehran he would be upgraded to missing and never seen again.
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Originally Posted by polonius
Right here. But in my view, any old arabic t-shirt will suffice. WESC clothing sells t-shirts with their slogan "We are the Superlative Conspiracy" in about 20 different languages, including arabic. Maybe someone should make an arabic version of "Kip Hawley is an Idiot"?
Just sent them an email to order mine. I'm actually hoping to pick mine up this week before my upcoming trips this weekend.
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Originally Posted by xanthuos
"We Will Not Be Silent" is a statement attributed to a student-resistance movement in Nazi Germany called The White Rose. It is a statement of purpose, intended to inspire acts of resistance and dissent against a corrupt government that abuses its power, and abandons the rule of law.
All of us who believe in our freedom and that of others, and are against a policy of war, torture and lies, cannot afford to be silent.
-http://thecriticalvoice.org/
Yeah...just found the site tonight. Actually hoping to pick up a shirt for myself this week. Might even have it on in Newark this Friday, if I can get it from their office and not have to deal with the shipping issues. You can order one here.
ARE YOU JOKING??? What on earth is frightening about that phrase? Actually, what is frightening about Arabic writing? As far as I know, words never blew up anything.
Your ignorance frightens me.
Slippery slope, people, very slippery slope.
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Is it just me, or do some of the posts in this topic sound like they were lifted directly from transcripts of speeches, press conferences, and interviews from this current administration?
I don't "check" my constitutional rights along with my bag when I enter an airport.
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Originally Posted by jetBlueNYFL
JetBlueFA is 100% correct. However, we live in a different world today and wearing a shirt that says "we will not be silent" in any language, let alone Arabic is very unsettling to many, many people. This is not discriminating against all people of Arab descent.
The fact is, no one is ignorant. Did we all forget that this country was sleeping on September 10, 2001? The next day, our lives changed forever. We're all (and should be) on high alert.
High alert..... of our First Amendment rights crumbling away!
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Any post that states a Constitutional right followed by 'however' shows a grave misunderstanding of constitutional rights. No one is in any way 'inconvenienced' by a message on somebody's T-shirt. When did I lose my right to free speech and you gain a right to convenience?!
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My old friend google says:
كب هاولي هو أغبياء
I don't trust the google translator. But "كب هاواي" (literally "Kib Hawali") seems a reasonable transliteration. I'll ask one of the guys to check on the "is an idiot" part.
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I don't understand the responses of the JetBlue people on this particular thread.
What if many people on the plane complained to the TSA and the police saying that they were extremely uncomfortable and very concerned about their safety because the Captain was of arabic descent? What if the FA believed that 10 or 15 people might act unusually, during the flight, because they were truly concerned about their safety under those circumstances?
Would B6 call the authorities and have the Captain ejected from the flight until they could provide an alternative flight crew?
This is not a violation of rights, as for WHATEVER reason they saw it as a security risk. Maybe not driectly, but later on once airborne to help prevent a fight from breaking out.
Why would a fight or riot break out in the airplane (where the shirt would be visible to far fewer people) if it did not break out in the gate area among the same people who got in the airplane?
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