TSA workers feel victimized
#256
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The TSA is looking for people smuggling cash IN ADDITION to terrorism. They're trying to become a revenue stream for Treasury to justify more powers, I guess.
This conflating of goals will make TSA a giant pain to travelers and ultimately ineffective in stopping any terrorism.
TSA should be purely 100% about safety, NOT "crime" and smuggling: that's customs and police.
This conflating of goals will make TSA a giant pain to travelers and ultimately ineffective in stopping any terrorism.
TSA should be purely 100% about safety, NOT "crime" and smuggling: that's customs and police.
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The number of postings in this thread over that last few days by one particular TSO/BDO is suggestive of his being extremely defensive about the subject of this thread and is indicative of his most likely feeling victimized.
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Which tells me that they know they're in the wrong, but choose to continue anyway...
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Female screeners find having to grope passengers more distasteful than their male counterparts, and the TSA is now faced with the problem of hiring and retaining enough females to do same-sex patdowns. This brings us to situations where female PAX are told to submit to a grope by a male screener because "it would be a while" before a female was available.
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I'm suggesting we all just accept that and move on to talk about the thousands of other TSOs who don't have the benefit of working there, rather than falling back on the line "well, no one complained to me this week!"
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Female screeners find having to grope passengers more distasteful than their male counterparts, and the TSA is now faced with the problem of hiring and retaining enough females to do same-sex patdowns. This brings us to situations where female PAX are told to submit to a grope by a male screener because "it would be a while" before a female was available.
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It was absolutely not a mistake or a change of things when Blogger Bob wrote that the WBI scans were so innocuous, they were ready to grace the cover of Reader's Digest and to be handed out at your local preschool. That was his statement and we were supposed to believe that.
Then, Rolando Negrin pummeled his supervisor for mocking the size of his genitals which were seen on one of the scanner images and Bob's house of cards fell apart.
Either the scan was innocuous or it wasn't. There isn't a mistake or things change quotient here.
The only way I could see Bob's statement not being a flat out, bald faced lie is if Bob believes that showing preschoolers photos of a man's penis and testicles is appropriate. If that is indeed the case, the Bob need a sanity test because I can assure you that images of a man's genitals being handed out at a preschool would cause a complete and total firestorm.
It never was a mistake or a change of things.
Bob lied.
Then, Rolando Negrin pummeled his supervisor for mocking the size of his genitals which were seen on one of the scanner images and Bob's house of cards fell apart.
Either the scan was innocuous or it wasn't. There isn't a mistake or things change quotient here.
The only way I could see Bob's statement not being a flat out, bald faced lie is if Bob believes that showing preschoolers photos of a man's penis and testicles is appropriate. If that is indeed the case, the Bob need a sanity test because I can assure you that images of a man's genitals being handed out at a preschool would cause a complete and total firestorm.
It never was a mistake or a change of things.
Bob lied.
You are not taking into account that maybe the information Bob was given was not as complete as it could have been.
Rolando Negrin is responsible for the result of his situation, the person that commented to him was responsible for the start of the situation. If Negrin had a big enough problem with folks making commentary, he should have followed up with a complaint and gone up the chain with it.
Rolando Negrin is responsible for the result of his situation, the person that commented to him was responsible for the start of the situation. If Negrin had a big enough problem with folks making commentary, he should have followed up with a complaint and gone up the chain with it.
How many parents do you think would be perfectly okay with a government actor, a stranger or a teacher handing out scans that show genitals to preschoolers?
But even if Bob was not given the full set of images, we all now know his statement was false. So, why don't you direct me to his mea culpa and his admission that he was given incomplete information?
When the Negrin incident happened, all Bob did was write this blog post about how the TSA is opposed to workplace violence, as though they were taking some sort of courageous stand. (For the record, I am opposed to beating up little old ladies and snatching their purses!)
Speaking of Negrin, I never said that Negrin was not responsible for his actions. I mentioned the issue regarding that fateful day at MIA as proof positive that the claim the WBI scans were ready for the cover of Reader's Digest and to be handed out at preschools was garbage, so I am unsure why you felt the need to tell me about the procedures Negrin should have followed if he had concerns about being mistreated in the workplace.
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Respectfully, GSOL -- malarkey.
I've been an EMT for 30 years. Although I can (and have) treat friends and/or loved ones, it is NOT the same and it is NOT as easy when the loved ones are seriously ill/injured. The normal practice is to turn care over to someone else, if someone else is available.
~~ Irish
I've been an EMT for 30 years. Although I can (and have) treat friends and/or loved ones, it is NOT the same and it is NOT as easy when the loved ones are seriously ill/injured. The normal practice is to turn care over to someone else, if someone else is available.
~~ Irish
Why are male screeners being trained on the female pat-down if, as Blogger Bob alleges, pat-downs are always performed by screeners of the same gender as the passenger being assaulted?
When do you expect Blogger Bob to address Nature's evisceration of the BDO program as a pathetic heap of stupidity, based on nonsense, that wastes millions of dollars and makes absolutely no one, anywhere, safer?
Yes. You have no problem with your family being sexually assaulted and molested.
When do you expect Blogger Bob to address Nature's evisceration of the BDO program as a pathetic heap of stupidity, based on nonsense, that wastes millions of dollars and makes absolutely no one, anywhere, safer?
Yes. You have no problem with your family being sexually assaulted and molested.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...tsa-agent.html
Ahh, the Nature article, please read my tagline.
Actually, I have no problem with my family members being screened according to SOP, because that is neither of your comments.
The TSA is looking for people smuggling cash IN ADDITION to terrorism. They're trying to become a revenue stream for Treasury to justify more powers, I guess.
This conflating of goals will make TSA a giant pain to travelers and ultimately ineffective in stopping any terrorism.
TSA should be purely 100% about safety, NOT "crime" and smuggling: that's customs and police.
This conflating of goals will make TSA a giant pain to travelers and ultimately ineffective in stopping any terrorism.
TSA should be purely 100% about safety, NOT "crime" and smuggling: that's customs and police.
Q. Will I be delayed during screening if I am carrying large amounts of cash?
A. TSA does not restrict passengers from carrying cash through our security checkpoints. However, when TSA discovers a passenger carrying a sum of cash that appears to be in excess of $10,000 and the passenger is traveling to a location outside of the United States, TSA may notify U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to ensure compliance with international currency-reporting requirements. Also, TSA may notify law enforcement officers if cash is discovered during the security screening process that appears to be related to criminal activity based on factors such as the quantity, packaging, circumstances of discovery, or the method by which it is carried.
Found here :http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/custome...rial_1029.shtm
I'm not debating that. Just asking you not to bring it up any more. We all get the picture that your particular airport is above average in respect for the traveler. Noted. It's received sufficient air-time. There's no evidence I know of to the contrary.
I'm suggesting we all just accept that and move on to talk about the thousands of other TSOs who don't have the benefit of working there, rather than falling back on the line "well, no one complained to me this week!"
I'm suggesting we all just accept that and move on to talk about the thousands of other TSOs who don't have the benefit of working there, rather than falling back on the line "well, no one complained to me this week!"
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But I do still take exception with you putting the onus on the passenger to train and to educate the TSO through escalation. For many people that simply isn't possible, but more importantly, it should not be the role of the passenger to train TSOs in the TSA rules. It is the role of supervisors and managers to do that, and many of us here feel that is not done well at all. To turn it back to us and to say that we need to continue to complain and to speak up avoids the issue, which is the lack of oversight and the lack of leadership.
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Hi GBoro TSO:
What's interesting is that Customs doesn't really have the pull to operate within the borders and for people flying OUT. The TSA does.
Think about it that way... also, when the TSA hammered Atlanta with the VIPR and Florida with the bus searches, it WAS for drugs and smuggled cash hordes. Atlanta is a major, major drug distribution hub.
And so, yes, there is a revenue/confiscatory component. This mission creep can make it hard to focus on the terrorism, especially when confiscation is SOO lucrative
What's interesting is that Customs doesn't really have the pull to operate within the borders and for people flying OUT. The TSA does.
Think about it that way... also, when the TSA hammered Atlanta with the VIPR and Florida with the bus searches, it WAS for drugs and smuggled cash hordes. Atlanta is a major, major drug distribution hub.
And so, yes, there is a revenue/confiscatory component. This mission creep can make it hard to focus on the terrorism, especially when confiscation is SOO lucrative
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At least personally, I would classify the majority of TSOs as thoroughly ambivalent. It's rare to get any help on any significant level. More often I have to explain the screening process to infrequent travelers or wait while a TSO adjusts what's on the x-ray belt without taking 5 seconds to explain what the traveler did "wrong".
My most frequent reaction is to be surprised that someone who shows so little interest in his/her job can still catch anything on an x-ray display.
The next largest group would be TSOs doing nothing. Seems like most of the time I'm at the checkpoint, there's 2 or 3 employees off to the side chatting and laughing with each other.
Also fairly frequent are the inquisitive-bordering-on-nosy folks... I've noticed many non-BDO TSA employees who have no problem asking me why I'm traveling, what I was doing in their city, etc. If I had the sense I could trust anyone at TSA, I wouldn't mind the friendly conversation. I'm sure the TDC is a boring role. But these days I find myself giving short answers and moving along.
Wayyyyy down at the bottom are the rare times I see any TSO do anything helpful for a traveler. (Hard to even think of a specific example right now... One time I saw a supervisor handing out plastic baggies instead of yelling at travelers for not having them in advance. Does that count?)
One day I hope to be able to travel from GSO and see what it's supposed to be like.
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