Flight 253 passenger: Truth revealed: US govt wanted underpants bomber to fly to USA
Jan 28, 2010, 9:30 pm
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Flight 253 passenger: Truth revealed: US govt wanted underpants bomber to fly to USA
Flight 253 passenger Kurt Haskell writes:
Since our flight landed on Christmas Day, Lori and I have been doing everything in our power to uncover the truth about why we were almost blown up in the air over Detroit. The truth is now finally out after the publication of the following Detroit News article:
http://detnews.com/article/20100127/...-investigation
Let me quote from the article:
Now it all becomes apparent. With this admission, we have a claim by a government official that the U.S. Government wanted Mutallab to proceed into the U.S. Once we take this statement and add it to my eyewitness account of a "Sharp Dressed Man" escorting Mutallab through the boarding process and allowing him to baord without a valid passport we can make the connection that the "Sharp Dressed Man" was a U.S. Government offical.
The reasoning behind the following events now becomes very clear:
This article is the big center piece of the puzzle that has been missing and was needed to finish the entire puzzle.
http://detnews.com/article/20100127/...-investigation
Let me quote from the article:
"Patrick F. Kennedy, an undersecretary for management at the State Department, said Abdulmutallab's visa wasn't taken away because intelligence officials asked his agency not to deny a visa to the suspected terrorist over concerns that a denial would've foiled a larger investigation into al-Qaida threats against the United States.
"Revocation action would've disclosed what they were doing," Kennedy said in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security. Allowing Adbulmutallab to keep the visa increased chances federal investigators would be able to get closer to apprehending the terror network he is accused of working with, "rather than simply knocking out one solider in that effort."'
"Revocation action would've disclosed what they were doing," Kennedy said in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security. Allowing Adbulmutallab to keep the visa increased chances federal investigators would be able to get closer to apprehending the terror network he is accused of working with, "rather than simply knocking out one solider in that effort."'
The reasoning behind the following events now becomes very clear:
- The reason Mutallab got through security despite the numerous warnings for months before our flight.
- The reason why there have been so many lies from the U.S. Governemnt attempting to discredit my eyewitness account.
- The reason why the Amsterdam airport security video is being hidden from the public.
- The reason why the government is proposing a "Failed to Connect the Dots" account of the failure. The truth is too damning.
- the reason why Mr. Wolf of the Obama administration indicated on the Keith Olberman Show that the White House was investigating a possible "intentional act" from within the U.S. Government as the reason for the Christmas Day attack.
- The explanation for the cameraman and why he hasn't been identified (Obviously, he was another U.S. Government employee) whose job was to film Mutallab for some governmental purpose.
- The reason for the lax security after landing, which can be attributed to foreknowledge of the possible suspects involved.
- The reason for the failure to search or secure the plane and passengers after landing, which can also be attributed to foreknowledge of the possible suspects involved.
- The corporate media's attempt to bury my eyewitness account.
- Carl Levin's intentional avoidance of my story and failure to return my calls/emails.
- Janet Naploitano's statement that "The System Worked". From her point of view it probably did as this WAS PART OF THE SYSTEM!
This article is the big center piece of the puzzle that has been missing and was needed to finish the entire puzzle.
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Jan 28, 2010, 9:31 pm
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Kurt and Lori Haskell's blog posts about their experience and aftermath
Following are related blog posts by Kurt and Lori Haskell:
2009-12-27 - Safe and Sound
2009-12-27 - Local Paper Article
2009-12-30 - Funny
2010-01-01 - Latest Story--By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-02 - UPDATE ON FLIGHT 253: A CONVERSATION WITH A FELLOW PASSENGER--By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-02 - Thoughts by Lori
2010-01-03 - Fellow Passenger Daniel Huisinga Supports My Claim Regarding the "Man in Orange" live on FOX News
2010-01-03 - Flip side of intelligence failure -- poor response
2010-01-04 - JANET NAPOLITANO: OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT--By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-05 - Dutch say failed plane bomber acted alone
2010-01-05 - THE ANNOUNCEMENT WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING
2010-01-06 - U.S. learned intelligence on airline bomb suspect while he was en route - latimes.com
2010-01-06 - Article from the LA TIMES
2010-01-06 - Weird Conversation of the Day
2010-01-07 - Thoughts on the Report
2010-01-08 - Kurt on Fox News Yesterday
2010-01-08 - Kurt on WWL Radio
2010-01-08 - Government Control
2010-01-09 - BREAKING NEWS--Well Dressed Man Story Backed Up by Second Passenger
2010-01-09 - Govern America--Radio Show Today
2010-01-09 - Update to Flight 253 Details
2010-01-11 - Mojo in the Morning Show--95.5
2010-01-12 - 100.7 WZLK--Boston
2010-01-13 - U.S.-Israeli Complicity in Terror Plot, FBI, Media Cover-Up Flight 253 Assistance (UPDATES)
2010-01-13 - New Article
2010-01-13 - John Oakley Show--Toronto
2010-01-13 - Barry Shainbaum Show
2010-01-15 - The Weird Factor by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com
2010-01-17 - Really Well Said
2010-01-24 - Initially "Discounted"
2010-01-24 - John McGowan Show 1/15/10
2010-01-16 - Coast to Coast 1/16/2010
2010-01-28 - THE TRUTH ABOUT FLIGHT 253 HAS BEEN REVEALED- By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-29 - Free Press Article re Security Being Botched
2010-01-29 - Kurt Haskell Returns to Alex Jones TV: FBI Now Admits Haskell’s Eye-Witness Account Was True
2010-01-29 - Latest on the Trial
2010-01-31 - Remaining Questions; THE REMAINING QUESTIONS FROM FLIGHT 253 AND A DISCUSSION OF THE POSSIBILITIES -by Kurt Haskell
2010-01-31 - Updates
2010-02-08 - AN ARTICLE FROM GHANA BUSINESS NEWS
2010-02-10 - UPDATE ON THE CAMERAMAN
2009-12-27 - Safe and Sound
2009-12-27 - Local Paper Article
2009-12-30 - Funny
2010-01-01 - Latest Story--By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-02 - UPDATE ON FLIGHT 253: A CONVERSATION WITH A FELLOW PASSENGER--By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-02 - Thoughts by Lori
2010-01-03 - Fellow Passenger Daniel Huisinga Supports My Claim Regarding the "Man in Orange" live on FOX News
2010-01-03 - Flip side of intelligence failure -- poor response
2010-01-04 - JANET NAPOLITANO: OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT--By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-05 - Dutch say failed plane bomber acted alone
2010-01-05 - THE ANNOUNCEMENT WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING
2010-01-06 - U.S. learned intelligence on airline bomb suspect while he was en route - latimes.com
2010-01-06 - Article from the LA TIMES
2010-01-06 - Weird Conversation of the Day
2010-01-07 - Thoughts on the Report
2010-01-08 - Kurt on Fox News Yesterday
2010-01-08 - Kurt on WWL Radio
2010-01-08 - Government Control
2010-01-09 - BREAKING NEWS--Well Dressed Man Story Backed Up by Second Passenger
2010-01-09 - Govern America--Radio Show Today
2010-01-09 - Update to Flight 253 Details
2010-01-11 - Mojo in the Morning Show--95.5
2010-01-12 - 100.7 WZLK--Boston
2010-01-13 - U.S.-Israeli Complicity in Terror Plot, FBI, Media Cover-Up Flight 253 Assistance (UPDATES)
2010-01-13 - New Article
2010-01-13 - John Oakley Show--Toronto
2010-01-13 - Barry Shainbaum Show
2010-01-15 - The Weird Factor by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com
2010-01-17 - Really Well Said
2010-01-24 - Initially "Discounted"
2010-01-24 - John McGowan Show 1/15/10
2010-01-16 - Coast to Coast 1/16/2010
2010-01-28 - THE TRUTH ABOUT FLIGHT 253 HAS BEEN REVEALED- By Kurt Haskell
2010-01-29 - Free Press Article re Security Being Botched
2010-01-29 - Kurt Haskell Returns to Alex Jones TV: FBI Now Admits Haskell’s Eye-Witness Account Was True
2010-01-29 - Latest on the Trial
2010-01-31 - Remaining Questions; THE REMAINING QUESTIONS FROM FLIGHT 253 AND A DISCUSSION OF THE POSSIBILITIES -by Kurt Haskell
2010-01-31 - Updates
2010-02-08 - AN ARTICLE FROM GHANA BUSINESS NEWS
2010-02-10 - UPDATE ON THE CAMERAMAN
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Jan 28, 2010, 9:34 pm
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related stories from mlive.com and NPR
I've been following this story for several weeks. Following are some notes I took about stories published on a Detroit news site and run on National Public Radio:
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Commenter says he was aboard NWA Flight 253, saw suspected terrorist board the plane
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 26, 2009, 6:49AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in..._aboard_n.html
This guy left a comment on some Detroit news site, claiming to have been on flight 253. He says he saw the bomber try to get on the flight without a passport. He also says he saw a second man questioned, then taken away in handcuffs, after a dog alerted on his luggage:
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Flight 253 passenger: Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport (MLive.com exclusive)
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 26, 2009, 2:22PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...says_at_l.html
The guy identified himself, produced a copy of his boarding pass, and was interviewed. There's a little more detail there, but the story is the same.
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Could Terror Suspect Have Had Outside Help?
National Public Radio
December 28, 2009
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=121983246
NPR interviewed Haskell.
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Videos: Kurt and Lori Haskell talk Flight 253, passport 'accomplice' and FBI questioning
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 29, 2009, 11:43AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...laim_of_f.html
Haskell and his wife told their story on several cable TV news networks.
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Second person was detained by U.S. Customs after alleged attack on Flight 253
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 29, 2009, 6:46PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...tells_msn.html
Two other passengers corroborated Haskell's story. One told his story on MSNBC, the other in a report for Huffington Post. Their stories mostly match up, with small differences like one saying the suspect was taken away to a back room and the other saying that he was questioned in a corner of the waiting area.
FBI still says only one person was arrested or charged in relation to the foiled bombing.
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Report: FBI questions Haskell family about alleged Flight 253 passport accomplice
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 6:03AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...haskell_f.html
Shortly after Haskell tells his story, the FBI show up at his door to question him:
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Report: Customs says second person detained after Flight 253 for reasons unrelated to attack
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 3:04PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...ys_second.html
So after Haskell publicized his story, U.S. Customs and Boarder Patrol came out and admitted that a second man was indeed taken into custody, but said that he had nothing to do with the attempted bombing:
Why would security have moved people away and told them that the area was not safe if they just found illegal drugs in his bag? Why were they wasting time with drug-sniffing dogs, anyway, when we're supposedly under this great threat of airplane bombings? Shouldn't we stick with the explosive-sniffing dogs?
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Dutch counter-terrorism agency: Flight 253 suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had valid Nigerian passport, U.S. visa
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 10:05AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...sm_agency.html
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U.S. Customs: Second person handcuffed on Christmas Day was on Flight 253, after all
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
January 02, 2010, 8:51AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...d_at_airp.html
Customs now says the man who was handcuffed *was* on Kurt's flight, and says that he was not detained or arrested. How do you handcuff someone without detaining him?
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Kurt and Lori Haskell: We talked with a fellow Flight 253 passenger, but he saw something different
By Aaron Foley | MLive.com
January 02, 2010, 8:38PM
Another passenger recalls seeing something similar, but he thinks he saw a different man who looked like the bomber, but was young, and accompanied by an airline employee.
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Commenter says he was aboard NWA Flight 253, saw suspected terrorist board the plane
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 26, 2009, 6:49AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in..._aboard_n.html
This guy left a comment on some Detroit news site, claiming to have been on flight 253. He says he saw the bomber try to get on the flight without a passport. He also says he saw a second man questioned, then taken away in handcuffs, after a dog alerted on his luggage:
I was on this flight today and am thankful to be alive. My wife and I were returning from an African safari and had this connecting flight through Amsterdam. I sat in row 27, which was 7 rows behind the terrorist. I got to see the whole thing take place and it was very scary. Thanks to a few quick acting people I am still alive today. For those of you talking about airline security in this thread, I was next to the terrorist when he checked in at the Amsterdam airport early on Christmas. My wife and I were playing cards directly in front of the check in counter. This is what I saw (and I relayed this to the FBI when we were held in customs):
An Indian man in a nicely dressed suit around age 50 approached the check in counter with the terrorist and said "This man needs to get on this flight and he has no passport." The two of them were an odd pair as the terrorist is a short, black man that looked like he was very poor and looks around age 17(Although I think he is 23 he doesn't look it). It did not cross my mind that they were terrorists, only that the two looked weird together. The ticket taker said "you can't board without a passport". The Indian man then replied, "He is from Sudan, we do this all the time". I can only take from this to mean that it is difficult to get passports from Sudan and this was some sort of sympathy ploy. The ticket taker then said "You will have to talk to my manager", and sent the two down a hallway. I never saw the Indian man again as he wasn't on the flight. It was also weird that the terrorist never said a word in this exchange. Anyway, somehow, the terrorist still made it onto the plane. I am not sure if it was a bribe or just sympathy from the security manager.
FBI also arrested a different Indian man while we were held in customs after a bomb sniffing dog detected a bomb in his carry on bag and he was searched after we landed. This was later confirmed while we were in customs when an FBI agent said to us "You are being moved to another area because this area is not safe. Read between the lines. Some of you saw what just happened."(The arrest of the other Indian man). I am not sure why this hasn't made it into any news story, but I stood about 15-20 feet away from the other Indian man when he was cuffed and arrested after his search.
What also didn't make the news is that we were held on the plane for 20 minutes AFTER IT LANDED!. A bomb could have gone off then. This wasn't too smart of security to not let us off the plane immediately.
An Indian man in a nicely dressed suit around age 50 approached the check in counter with the terrorist and said "This man needs to get on this flight and he has no passport." The two of them were an odd pair as the terrorist is a short, black man that looked like he was very poor and looks around age 17(Although I think he is 23 he doesn't look it). It did not cross my mind that they were terrorists, only that the two looked weird together. The ticket taker said "you can't board without a passport". The Indian man then replied, "He is from Sudan, we do this all the time". I can only take from this to mean that it is difficult to get passports from Sudan and this was some sort of sympathy ploy. The ticket taker then said "You will have to talk to my manager", and sent the two down a hallway. I never saw the Indian man again as he wasn't on the flight. It was also weird that the terrorist never said a word in this exchange. Anyway, somehow, the terrorist still made it onto the plane. I am not sure if it was a bribe or just sympathy from the security manager.
FBI also arrested a different Indian man while we were held in customs after a bomb sniffing dog detected a bomb in his carry on bag and he was searched after we landed. This was later confirmed while we were in customs when an FBI agent said to us "You are being moved to another area because this area is not safe. Read between the lines. Some of you saw what just happened."(The arrest of the other Indian man). I am not sure why this hasn't made it into any news story, but I stood about 15-20 feet away from the other Indian man when he was cuffed and arrested after his search.
What also didn't make the news is that we were held on the plane for 20 minutes AFTER IT LANDED!. A bomb could have gone off then. This wasn't too smart of security to not let us off the plane immediately.
Flight 253 passenger: Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport (MLive.com exclusive)
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 26, 2009, 2:22PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...says_at_l.html
The guy identified himself, produced a copy of his boarding pass, and was interviewed. There's a little more detail there, but the story is the same.
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Could Terror Suspect Have Had Outside Help?
National Public Radio
December 28, 2009
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=121983246
NPR interviewed Haskell.
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Videos: Kurt and Lori Haskell talk Flight 253, passport 'accomplice' and FBI questioning
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 29, 2009, 11:43AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...laim_of_f.html
Haskell and his wife told their story on several cable TV news networks.
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Second person was detained by U.S. Customs after alleged attack on Flight 253
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 29, 2009, 6:46PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...tells_msn.html
Two other passengers corroborated Haskell's story. One told his story on MSNBC, the other in a report for Huffington Post. Their stories mostly match up, with small differences like one saying the suspect was taken away to a back room and the other saying that he was questioned in a corner of the waiting area.
FBI still says only one person was arrested or charged in relation to the foiled bombing.
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Report: FBI questions Haskell family about alleged Flight 253 passport accomplice
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 6:03AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...haskell_f.html
Shortly after Haskell tells his story, the FBI show up at his door to question him:
Lori Haskell tells the Detroit Free Press that federal agents yesterday questioned her and her husband about the allegations.
The FBI questioned the couple separately at their law office in Taylor, she said, talking to her for about ten minutes and showing her photographs of suspects, one of which she recognized.
Kurt Haskell, meanwhile was questioned for more than an hour.
The FBI questioned the couple separately at their law office in Taylor, she said, talking to her for about ten minutes and showing her photographs of suspects, one of which she recognized.
Kurt Haskell, meanwhile was questioned for more than an hour.
Report: Customs says second person detained after Flight 253 for reasons unrelated to attack
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 3:04PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...ys_second.html
So after Haskell publicized his story, U.S. Customs and Boarder Patrol came out and admitted that a second man was indeed taken into custody, but said that he had nothing to do with the attempted bombing:
U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Ron Smith today told the Detroit News that the second person taken into custody Christmas Day at Detroit Metropolitan Airport had nothing to do with the attempted bombing aboard Flight 253.
In a comment made Saturday on MLive.com, Kurt Haskell, a Taylor attorney, said he saw authorities handcuff a second man after a bomb-sniffing dog alerted them to something in the man's carry-on bag.
Smith confirmed for MLive.com yesterday that a second person had been taken into custody, but today tells the News the person was a passenger on a different flight.
"There was a second person taken into custody, but it had nothing to do with Flight 253," he said. "They did see dogs, but again, it was a totally different incident."
When asked whether the incident was drug related, Smith told the newspaper, "Something like that."
In a comment made Saturday on MLive.com, Kurt Haskell, a Taylor attorney, said he saw authorities handcuff a second man after a bomb-sniffing dog alerted them to something in the man's carry-on bag.
Smith confirmed for MLive.com yesterday that a second person had been taken into custody, but today tells the News the person was a passenger on a different flight.
"There was a second person taken into custody, but it had nothing to do with Flight 253," he said. "They did see dogs, but again, it was a totally different incident."
When asked whether the incident was drug related, Smith told the newspaper, "Something like that."
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Dutch counter-terrorism agency: Flight 253 suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had valid Nigerian passport, U.S. visa
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 10:05AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...sm_agency.html
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab presented a valid Nigerian passport and U.S. visa to authorities in Amsterdam on Christmas day before boarding Detroit-bound Flight 253, Holland's counter-terrorism agency tells CBS News
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According to Reuters, NCTb and Dutch military police had been investigating the claims of Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell, who first told MLive.com he witnessed a well-dressed man try to help Abdulmutallab board the flight in Amsterdam without a passport.
The NCTb reportedly reviewed CCTV video and other evidence, and as CBS states, their investigation "into Abdulmutallab's passport pokes holes in the theory that the alleged bomber had help evading security."
But Haskell, who talked yesterday with the FBI, is sticking by his account.
"I never stated he didn't have a passport," he told MLive.com this morning. "I stated he was trying to board without a passport, what transpired after that I don't know."
Haskell, also questioned why Dutch authorities haven't released the security footage that could clear up the matter.
"Show me the video," he said. "They have the video of what I'm talking about. Where is it? Why aren't they showing it? Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab presented a valid Nigerian passport and U.S.
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According to Reuters, NCTb and Dutch military police had been investigating the claims of Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell, who first told MLive.com he witnessed a well-dressed man try to help Abdulmutallab board the flight in Amsterdam without a passport.
The NCTb reportedly reviewed CCTV video and other evidence, and as CBS states, their investigation "into Abdulmutallab's passport pokes holes in the theory that the alleged bomber had help evading security."
But Haskell, who talked yesterday with the FBI, is sticking by his account.
"I never stated he didn't have a passport," he told MLive.com this morning. "I stated he was trying to board without a passport, what transpired after that I don't know."
Haskell, also questioned why Dutch authorities haven't released the security footage that could clear up the matter.
"Show me the video," he said. "They have the video of what I'm talking about. Where is it? Why aren't they showing it? Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab presented a valid Nigerian passport and U.S.
U.S. Customs: Second person handcuffed on Christmas Day was on Flight 253, after all
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
January 02, 2010, 8:51AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...d_at_airp.html
Customs now says the man who was handcuffed *was* on Kurt's flight, and says that he was not detained or arrested. How do you handcuff someone without detaining him?
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Kurt and Lori Haskell: We talked with a fellow Flight 253 passenger, but he saw something different
By Aaron Foley | MLive.com
January 02, 2010, 8:38PM
Another passenger recalls seeing something similar, but he thinks he saw a different man who looked like the bomber, but was young, and accompanied by an airline employee.
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Jan 28, 2010, 10:53 pm
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Yeah, this is so terrible stories. This is not good to letting the terrorize into the aircraft. It is not inappropriate for his behavioral in AMS and security guards didn't see him when he got through into the gate secondary screening areas. He does not have his passport. He could be attempting into USA illegally. AMS security or airlines agent didn't see his suspicious activities at the gate. He could be arrested for that. What is major for against the charges for? AMS security must to be aware to make sure if the right time to go through into metal detector to process to be clearance at security. AMS security must to take own responsibilities to keep eyeing with the passengers get back at the security again. This is not excused for security guards has been failed to attempting him to get inside the aircraft.
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9. The corporate media's attempt to bury my eyewitness account. 10. Carl Levin's intentional avoidance of my story and failure to return my calls/emails. 11. Janet Naploitano's statement that "The System Worked". From her point of view it probably did as this WAS PART OF THE SYSTEM! This article is the big center piece of the puzzle that has been missing and was needed to finish the entire puzzle.
Jan 29, 2010, 6:18 am
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The problem with all this is that it would require Dutch cooperation. And if they needed that to get him on the plane why didn't they just have the Dutch arrest him then and stick him on the plane in cuffs
As for moving people away from a suspicious package - well that's SOP regardless of the potential threat.
No this smacks of 15 minutes of fame mixed with paranoia
As for moving people away from a suspicious package - well that's SOP regardless of the potential threat.
No this smacks of 15 minutes of fame mixed with paranoia
Jan 29, 2010, 6:43 am
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If I understand your statement correctly than I say Yes, where are the Salinger's of this age?
Off Topic (I've not been posting long but seem to always go off topic, but isn't it really the same topic?)
**Think about the couple that "snuck" into the White house dinner a few months ago.........do you really think someone could "sneak" in to a White house function? If not, then what was the purpose of this? What message does it send to whom?
** I've only recently become a conspiracy theorist.
Off Topic (I've not been posting long but seem to always go off topic, but isn't it really the same topic?)
**Think about the couple that "snuck" into the White house dinner a few months ago.........do you really think someone could "sneak" in to a White house function? If not, then what was the purpose of this? What message does it send to whom?
** I've only recently become a conspiracy theorist.
Jan 29, 2010, 10:46 am
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Could you three help me understand your position on this? I understand the idea that someone might try to leverage what attention he's gained to generate more attention. You seem to imply that the Haskells' claims about what they saw are not worthy of further attention from the rest of us. Was that your intent?
In another thread, in regards to that issue, Dhuey wrote, "This is an active criminal investigation, so it's not surprising that the Dutch haven't released such video yet." That's a reasonable explanation.
Sure. As with most crimes, commission of such an act would require collaboration between more than one person (i.e., people would need to conspire to commit it). To speculate as to why is to encourage shouts of "You're a conspiracy theorist!" from people who doubt that bad people conspire to do bad things, and from those who suspect that historically, most conspiracies were actually coincidences. So I won't. But as we would do when speculating about motives and suspects, consider what the result has been, and who benefited from it.
Clearly, there was some cooperation from the Dutch; it happened in their airport. I'm guessing you were thinking of some other cooperation when you wrote that. If you're interested in moving the discussion along, could you elaborate?
As for why, assuming for the purpose of discussion that people in our government did in fact desire to have this man fly to the United States, simply arresting him and transporting him on the plane in restraints wasn't the chosen option: That would have passengers very uncomfortable. Surely we have established protocol for extradition, so maybe there was some reason that such procedures were not desirable. Maybe they (we) didn't want him to know that he was being "allowed" entry because that would have tipped him and others off to the fact that they were under investigation of some sort.
The Detroit News story stated:
Probably so. What Kurt says he remembered hearing was "You are all being moved to another area because this are is not safe. You all just saw what happened and I’m sure you are smart enough to read between the lines and figure out what is going on." Maybe that was an unfortunate choice of words on the part of the "law enforcement official" but words have consequences, and that official could have simply said "out of an abundance of caution, our policy is to move people away from a suspicious package."
As for why, assuming for the purpose of discussion that people in our government did in fact desire to have this man fly to the United States, simply arresting him and transporting him on the plane in restraints wasn't the chosen option: That would have passengers very uncomfortable. Surely we have established protocol for extradition, so maybe there was some reason that such procedures were not desirable. Maybe they (we) didn't want him to know that he was being "allowed" entry because that would have tipped him and others off to the fact that they were under investigation of some sort.
The Detroit News story stated:
"Revocation action would've disclosed what they were doing," Kennedy said in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security. Allowing Adbulmutallab to keep the visa increased chances federal investigators would be able to get closer to apprehending the terror network he is accused of working with, "rather than simply knocking out one solider in that effort."
Jan 29, 2010, 10:47 am
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January 1, 2010, statement from Kurt Haskell
Following is the entirety [EDIT: first few sentences of; FT moderator Cholula truncated due to TOS re: quoting in entirety] of the message from Kurt Haskell that I quoted above:
Friday, January 01, 2010
Latest Story--By Kurt Haskell
-The Man In Orange and the Merry Go Round of Ron Smith/U.S. Customs-
As many of you know, my wife Lori and I were passengers and innocent victims of Northwest Flight 253 (Flight 253). We have repeated our story many times to various reporters, television and radio stations ,both across the country and abroad. Our story has never changed. What I would like to emphasize in this article is that not only did we almost lose our lives in the air, but we also almost lost our lives after our plane landed. Let me explain.
When Flight 253 landed, the passengers were forced to stay on the plane on the runway for 20 minutes. We were forced to do this despite not knowing whether there was a further bomb on our plane held by another passenger, in a carry on bag, or in the cargo hold. This action taken by law enforcement further endangered the lives of every passenger on flight 253.
Latest Story--By Kurt Haskell
-The Man In Orange and the Merry Go Round of Ron Smith/U.S. Customs-
As many of you know, my wife Lori and I were passengers and innocent victims of Northwest Flight 253 (Flight 253). We have repeated our story many times to various reporters, television and radio stations ,both across the country and abroad. Our story has never changed. What I would like to emphasize in this article is that not only did we almost lose our lives in the air, but we also almost lost our lives after our plane landed. Let me explain.
When Flight 253 landed, the passengers were forced to stay on the plane on the runway for 20 minutes. We were forced to do this despite not knowing whether there was a further bomb on our plane held by another passenger, in a carry on bag, or in the cargo hold. This action taken by law enforcement further endangered the lives of every passenger on flight 253.
Last edited by pmocek; Jan 29, 2010 at 1:53 pm Reason: Quoting an article in its entirety is against the TOS