If some of you happily change gloves you are in a miniscule minority.
The reason I came up with the idea of requesting the ID checker changing his gloves was seeing the chagrin on the inspectors faces and in their attitude when I ask them to. It amuses me to no end when they get an attitude when I ask them to adhere to their own rules after they require me to.
(And if I saw an ID checker with bloody hands I would yell so loud it would make the news!)
what do you normally do when someone offers you a handshake? decline?
and how do you deal with the ticket agents that handle everyone's passport barehanded?
You do know everyone's not using that little scoop in the AC pretzels and those pinchers in the cookie tray, right?
Um that's sort of the point I was making....
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If some of you happily change gloves you are in a miniscule minority.
The reason I came up with the idea of requesting the ID checker changing his gloves was seeing the chagrin on the inspectors faces and in their attitude when I ask them to. It amuses me to no end when they get an attitude when I ask them to adhere to their own rules after they require me to.
(And if I saw an ID checker with bloody hands I would yell so loud it would make the news!)
Lol bloody hands. The hand sanatizer dries out your skin. Use it repeatedly, your skin really dries, and the skin around the knuckles cracks, not dripping blood, but you see a redness. It happened when I first started to work here. Before this job I never had to use a hand lotion, now I do, and my hands are ok. I have cut myself at work though, and like most of you bandaged it, and while workin worn a glove over it all the time. Like you I would not subject anyone to my blood.
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I didn't suggest that the TDC change gloves (should they wear them) after every person. I really don't see the need for the TDC to always wear gloves.
I did suggest that each TSA station have the common supplies that may be required during a typical day at ready. If that is a box of gloves then they should be prepositioned at the beginning of each shift.
Really not to much to ask for.
I agree, but I have yet to see a TDC statio that had the space to keep the supplies. If your willing for TSA to fork out the money for the places needed to stock them, I'm all for that. I can honestly say that in my years at TSA I have only had Andes people ask me to wear gloves, same with those I know (just asked some ddifferent TSOs). Would this be a wise place to spend money? You may think so...
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I agree, but I have yet to see a TDC statio that had the space to keep the supplies. If your willing for TSA to fork out the money for the places needed to stock them, I'm all for that.
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Sorry, I'm not buying the "we don't have enough money" argument.
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I agree, but I have yet to see a TDC statio that had the space to keep the supplies. If your willing for TSA to fork out the money for the places needed to stock them, I'm all for that. I can honestly say that in my years at TSA I have only had Andes people ask me to wear gloves, same with those I know (just asked some ddifferent TSOs). Would this be a wise place to spend money? You may think so...
Seems like if funds need shifted around for the greater good we could start with a rif of the tdc, gate gropers, bdo program and move those $ assets to cargo screening, screening airport workers and securing peoples property.
Also I see no need for the expense of Strip Search Machines and perhaps we could shift those monies into fixing the already purchased puffers and getting something to test liquids.
There is plenty of fat to cut, I see TSO's standing around doing nothing every time I fly, apparently overstaffed.
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Those hand sanitizers contain a lot of alcohol, which causes your skin to dry out quickly. Any dermatologist will tell you that they are really bad for your skin. Then wearing latex gloves over dried out skin all day makes things even worse. You could end up with contact dermatitis. Certain kinds of hand lotion can aggravate it even more. I use Eucerin when I have extremely dry skin.
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Those hand sanitizers contain a lot of alcohol, which causes your skin to dry out quickly. Any dermatologist will tell you that they are really bad for your skin. Then wearing latex gloves over dried out skin all day makes things even worse. You could end up with contact dermatitis. Certain kinds of hand lotion can aggravate it even more. I use Eucerin when I have extremely dry skin.
The gloves are not latex. Yes they dry out the skin, I can live with dry skin. I just use slot of lotion, and I'm familiar with Eucerin, it's what my moms doctor had her use during her cancer treatment.
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Sorry, I'm not buying the "we don't have enough money" argument.
As boggie dog pointed out, what is needed is a re-allocation of funds. It's not that what you suggest is expensive. It's not. Funds are specifically allocated for certain kinds of items. I know at SAT we have run out of certain things that would fall in the category gloves fall in (swabs to test to ensure the ETD machines are calibrated, compressed cans of air to clean said machines, and certain sizes of gloves). We even ran out of funds to pay for our employee airport IDs at the end of last fiscal year.
I do agree that TSA waste money, perhaps more than another government agency, but money simply can not be taken out of one place to fund another. And I do agree that certain things need to be changed/ended.
However, under the current conditions i work now, the best I can do is as I said eariler. If someone ask for a change of gloves I can call for some to bring some down from the checkpoint and continue screening others as that person waits. And again, I wouldn't do this under any form of anger to be vindictive. It's just the best I can offer.
As boggie dog pointed out, what is needed is a re-allocation of funds. It's not that what you suggest is expensive. It's not. Funds are specifically allocated for certain kinds of items. I know at SAT we have run out of certain things that would fall in the category gloves fall in (swabs to test to ensure the ETD machines are calibrated, compressed cans of air to clean said machines, and certain sizes of gloves). We even ran out of funds to pay for our employee airport IDs at the end of last fiscal year.
I do agree that TSA waste money, perhaps more than another government agency, but money simply can not be taken out of one place to fund another. And I do agree that certain things need to be changed/ended.
However, under the current conditions i work now, the best I can do is as I said eariler. If someone ask for a change of gloves I can call for some to bring some down from the checkpoint and continue screening others as that person waits. And again, I wouldn't do this under any form of anger to be vindictive. It's just the best I can offer.
Government funding can be a crazy concept.
Still, good management would ensure needed items (supplies) are available for use by employees at the checkpoints and positioned where needed.
It's just the way professionals do it.
Oh, exactly what date did ice is ok through the checkpoint really change?
I believe the OP is making a mockery of the system. At DEN we have to wear gloves at all positions. You would be suprised to see how many people come up to TDC with the ID or BP in their mouths. When having to do a bag search, yeah I will honor the request to change gloves as I do when anyone asks if I am handling something personal of theirs or patting them down. As far as changing gloves to touch the outside of the bag as in stuffing it in the X-ray goes, not going to happen. How is pax going to say that the virus came from TSA if they get it? The ticket counter could be the source of the contamination. There is nothing icky about having spares in your pockets. The thing that really speeds up changing gloves though is to put the new pair on over the old ones.
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As far as changing gloves to touch the outside of the bag as in stuffing it in the X-ray goes, not going to happen.
Wow, standards, hooah, standards. Come to think of it, I think I ran into your bro at ORD a month ago who decided to get a big attitude when I asked him to change his gloves...
I believe the OP is making a mockery of the system. At DEN we have to wear gloves at all positions. You would be suprised to see how many people come up to TDC with the ID or BP in their mouths. When having to do a bag search, yeah I will honor the request to change gloves as I do when anyone asks if I am handling something personal of theirs or patting them down. As far as changing gloves to touch the outside of the bag as in stuffing it in the X-ray goes, not going to happen. How is pax going to say that the virus came from TSA if they get it? The ticket counter could be the source of the contamination. There is nothing icky about having spares in your pockets. The thing that really speeds up changing gloves though is to put the new pair on over the old ones.
Though I welcome your opinion I disagree, with some of what you say. I think it is wrong to keep gloves in your pocket; it is not sanitary, and in my opinion, and seemingly the opinion of many traveller, disgusting.
We used to have boxes of gloves kept everywhere, on top of the x-rays, etd machine, etc. If we needed more, became close to running out, our supply officer (a STSO) put in an order for more. Once DHS/TSA was told to get a tighter hold on it's budget, that we couldn't just order anything at anytime, that's when we began to have supply issues. Our managements solution was to build these plastic slots the gloves must be kept at on the side if the case that holds our etd machines. No where else. This has helped to reduce waste and to ensure we now always have the supply of gloves we need. And one travelling through SAT needs to just take a quick look to verify these storage slots to confirm what I say.
I can bring gloves down with me to TDC, but not a box. But that is not sanitary. There is a reason they come in the sealed boxes they come in.
I understand each airport is different. No argument there. We are not required to use gloves at the TDC; it's our or the passengers option to have us wear gloves there.
Though I welcome your opinion I disagree, with some of what you say. I think it is wrong to keep gloves in your pocket; it is not sanitary, and in my opinion, and seemingly the opinion of many traveller, disgusting.
We used to have boxes of gloves kept everywhere, on top of the x-rays, etd machine, etc. If we needed more, became close to running out, our supply officer (a STSO) put in an order for more. Once DHS/TSA was told to get a tighter hold on it's budget, that we couldn't just order anything at anytime, that's when we began to have supply issues. Our managements solution was to build these plastic slots the gloves must be kept at on the side if the case that holds our etd machines. No where else. This has helped to reduce waste and to ensure we now always have the supply of gloves we need. And one travelling through SAT needs to just take a quick look to verify these storage slots to confirm what I say.
I can bring gloves down with me to TDC, but not a box. But that is not sanitary. There is a reason they come in the sealed boxes they come in.
I understand each airport is different. No argument there. We are not required to use gloves at the TDC; it's our or the passengers option to have us wear gloves there.
Sounds to me if your superiors have not provided for gloves at a given station then they are telling you that gloves or not needed for that particular job.
Seems that some work flow studies need to be done to determine what supplies, people and so on are needed at each position.
I can do that for a small contract fee of say 20mil or so.
Sounds to me if your superiors have not provided for gloves at a given station then they are telling you that gloves or not needed for that particular job.
Seems that some work flow studies need to be done to determine what supplies, people and so on are needed at each position.
I can do that for a small contract fee of say 20mil or so.
Correct; it is part of SOP to use gloves during pat-downs and bag checks and such, but for TDC it is not part of SOP. If a TSO wants to use gloves there that is up to them or the passenger. Or as another pointed out, can be a local TSA airport policy.
