Knee Defender Gadget
#31
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Gang,
Almost every thread on the Knee Defender gets closed because members get into personal attacks. I am going to leave thread open for now but be per warned that personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Now, back to your regular programming!
Almost every thread on the Knee Defender gets closed because members get into personal attacks. I am going to leave thread open for now but be per warned that personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Now, back to your regular programming!
#32
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 431
Thing is, we're allowed to make full use of the things we purchase.
Get a $500 rolling carry on, you're allowed to use every square inch of interior space.
Get a pair of shoes, adjust the laces to your liking.
Get a Big Mac, you're allowed to eat every last sesame seed.
Get a coach plane fare, you're allowed to utilize the allowable space.
In my life I've never heard of any ethical or moral issue in keeping an already-cramped seat that you pay top dollar for in a compromised position. In fact, I make certain flights on certain airlines just to get a fraction more legroom or seat recline, I'm not giving that up, I paid for it, it's owed to me.
If someone doesn't fit in the seat they paid for, well, get another seat. It's not the responsibility of others to make up for their short sightedness. Lots of seats, lots of classes, pick one that fits your body properly, problem solved.
BJ
Get a $500 rolling carry on, you're allowed to use every square inch of interior space.
Get a pair of shoes, adjust the laces to your liking.
Get a Big Mac, you're allowed to eat every last sesame seed.
Get a coach plane fare, you're allowed to utilize the allowable space.
In my life I've never heard of any ethical or moral issue in keeping an already-cramped seat that you pay top dollar for in a compromised position. In fact, I make certain flights on certain airlines just to get a fraction more legroom or seat recline, I'm not giving that up, I paid for it, it's owed to me.
If someone doesn't fit in the seat they paid for, well, get another seat. It's not the responsibility of others to make up for their short sightedness. Lots of seats, lots of classes, pick one that fits your body properly, problem solved.
BJ
#33
Join Date: Sep 2014
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There is really no right or wrong in this debate. Yes, the seat buyer should expect to be able to recline if they want. Unfortunately, that comes at the expense of the person behind them, who should be able to expect to fly without someone's head in their lap.
It's the airlines that cause these problems, not the passengers.
I thought the funniest response I saw to all of this debate was the flyer who pointed out that the knee defender was not necessary. Just open the air vent above you full blast and point it at the head of the person violating your space! :-)
It's the airlines that cause these problems, not the passengers.
I thought the funniest response I saw to all of this debate was the flyer who pointed out that the knee defender was not necessary. Just open the air vent above you full blast and point it at the head of the person violating your space! :-)
#34
Join Date: Jun 2014
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By buying a coach ticket you should already know what to expect. In that sense, there is absolutely a right. One expects to be reclined into by the bloke in front.
#35
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Further, everyone on the place has the option to recline as well. Its a level playing field. However, when someone is self interested enough to use a 'knee defender', they value their space/time/experience over others. To argue otherwise is simply illogical. Don't stop someone from sleeping or relaxing due to whatever TPS report you want to finish.
#36
Join Date: Oct 2012
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And now, Ryanair customers will be tempted to use the gadget: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0H20NB20140907
#37
Join Date: Jun 2014
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And now, Ryanair customers will be tempted to use the gadget: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0H20NB20140907
#38
Join Date: Sep 2014
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On a personal note, I always tell the person behind me each time I need to recline my seat. It's the decent thing to do, since you're both traveling and need to go somewhere, might as well be pleasant travelers as they say.
#39
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And Fericks, welcome to FT! ^
#40
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I never tell the person behind me, but I always do make it a point to look behind me to see how the person is positioned and then do a very slow recline. Unless it's early morning or late night/overnight, I generally don't recline more than halfway. Never had any issues, other than that weird passive-aggressive mumbler who, when I asked if everything was ok, replied in a chipper happy tone that she was fine before going back to cursing me under her breath.
#41
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I have never had anyone else's head in my lap, even when the passenger in front of me reclines to the fullest extent. Frankly, I think the "head in the lap" is a gross exaggeration.
#42
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 240
Maybe you fly on better airlines that provide more space on international flights?
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
#43
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Maybe you fly on better airlines that provide more space on international flights?
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Gul...irbus_A320.php
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Del...irbus_A320.php
Maybe you flew on them before a searing reconfiguration of some sort. But if you have to remember back to a nonexistent configuration on an extremely small airline (they have about 30 planes) to think of a horrible experience in coach, then maybe its not so bad after all? And if it is, then maybe people should just buy a nicer class and not make someone else's experience worse?
#44
Join Date: Jun 2014
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I have travelled many thousands of miles in coach/economy, mostly on long, international flights.
I have never had anyone else's head in my lap, even when the passenger in front of me reclines to the fullest extent. Frankly, I think the "head in the lap" is a gross exaggeration.
I have never had anyone else's head in my lap, even when the passenger in front of me reclines to the fullest extent. Frankly, I think the "head in the lap" is a gross exaggeration.
#45
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: New Zealand/ UK
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Maybe you fly on better airlines that provide more space on international flights?
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...