NY Times: US Airports Better, Still Not The Best
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NY Times: US Airports Better, Still Not The Best
No surprise that Chiangi still leads the pack:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/bu...=top-news&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/bu...=top-news&_r=0
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Yes, lets compare HKG, SEL, SIN as the single point of entry to say the U.S where it has a dozen or so major POE's. The issue really does stand out, doesn't it.
How about this. If the public demands we have similar facilities, then lets shutter all but 3-4 nationwide, pump billions into building what the rest of the world has/wants/demands and force funnel all international travelers into those.
Oh unless you full time flying travellers are willing to reach deep into your pockets to pay, most of the U.S public doesn't give a care there's a mall, driving range, small little cubes to sleep in.
How about this. If the public demands we have similar facilities, then lets shutter all but 3-4 nationwide, pump billions into building what the rest of the world has/wants/demands and force funnel all international travelers into those.
Oh unless you full time flying travellers are willing to reach deep into your pockets to pay, most of the U.S public doesn't give a care there's a mall, driving range, small little cubes to sleep in.
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I think ICN is a better airport than Changi.
In fact Sharkey's story was inspired by my post, here:
http://www.askthepilot.com/the-decline-and-fall/
You might like this one too...
http://www.askthepilot.com/essaysand...with-airports/
In fact Sharkey's story was inspired by my post, here:
http://www.askthepilot.com/the-decline-and-fall/
You might like this one too...
http://www.askthepilot.com/essaysand...with-airports/
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I've never particularly noticed ventilation as a problem. TSA, shopping & other facilities, and my #1 complaint: layout. I hate the way US airports are laid out. It's as if someone described how to lay out an airport to a designer. Who was blind. And new at the job. Over the phone. On a bad connection. I genuinely can't think of one where I like the layout. Denver almost gets into the Not Terrible range.
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Yes, lets compare HKG, SEL, SIN as the single point of entry to say the U.S where it has a dozen or so major POE's. The issue really does stand out, doesn't it.
How about this. If the public demands we have similar facilities, then lets shutter all but 3-4 nationwide, pump billions into building what the rest of the world has/wants/demands and force funnel all international travelers into those.
Oh unless you full time flying travellers are willing to reach deep into your pockets to pay, most of the U.S public doesn't give a care there's a mall, driving range, small little cubes to sleep in.
How about this. If the public demands we have similar facilities, then lets shutter all but 3-4 nationwide, pump billions into building what the rest of the world has/wants/demands and force funnel all international travelers into those.
Oh unless you full time flying travellers are willing to reach deep into your pockets to pay, most of the U.S public doesn't give a care there's a mall, driving range, small little cubes to sleep in.
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Yes, lets compare HKG, SEL, SIN as the single point of entry to say the U.S where it has a dozen or so major POE's. The issue really does stand out, doesn't it.
How about this. If the public demands we have similar facilities, then lets shutter all but 3-4 nationwide, pump billions into building what the rest of the world has/wants/demands and force funnel all international travelers into those.
Oh unless you full time flying travellers are willing to reach deep into your pockets to pay, most of the U.S public doesn't give a care there's a mall, driving range, small little cubes to sleep in.
How about this. If the public demands we have similar facilities, then lets shutter all but 3-4 nationwide, pump billions into building what the rest of the world has/wants/demands and force funnel all international travelers into those.
Oh unless you full time flying travellers are willing to reach deep into your pockets to pay, most of the U.S public doesn't give a care there's a mall, driving range, small little cubes to sleep in.
1. SIN is the only commercial airport in a small city/state with 5.5 m inhabitants.
2. HKG is one of many large POEs in China, and from most parts of the world is not a hub to connect to mainland China.
3. SEL is the city code for Seol, served by two international airports Incheon (ICN) and Gimpo (GMP). The country, population 50 M, has in total 8 international airports:
Cheongju (CJJ) Cheongju International Airport
Daegu (TAE) Daegu International Airport
Busan/Gimhae (PUS) Gimhae International Airport
Seoul/Gimpo (GMP) Gimpo International Airport
Seoul/Incheon (ICN) Incheon International Airport
Jeju (CJU) Jeju International Airport
Muan (MWX) Muan International Airport
Yangyang (YNY) Yangyang International Airport
Of these, ICN is by far largest, for many reasons:
a. The Seoul Metro area is half the country population or ~25 M, second largest in the world
b. Home of both Korean Airways and Asiana
c. Beeing the Capital AND largest City naturally has attracted the traffic of foreing airlines as well
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Oops, I'm reconsidering my earlier comment about ICN being better than Changi. I just got back from Singapore, where I had a long layover and some time to really poke around, especially in terminal 3. Alas, it was evening and the butterfly garden was closed, but the rest was pretty impressive. Amenities-wise both airports are comparable, but Changi has a style and personality that ICN lacks, I think. I just might give it the edge.
-- Patrick Smith
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My two biggest complaints about American airports are the rude TSA staff and the long lines and inefficient handling at immigration.
At Changi there were not lines at immigration at all and the officer asked me "Would you like a mint while I look at your passport?"
Much different from the "Why are you here? Where are you going? When are you leaving?" theater.
At Changi there were not lines at immigration at all and the officer asked me "Would you like a mint while I look at your passport?"
Much different from the "Why are you here? Where are you going? When are you leaving?" theater.
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My two biggest complaints about American airports are the rude TSA staff and the long lines and inefficient handling at immigration.
At Changi there were not lines at immigration at all and the officer asked me "Would you like a mint while I look at your passport?"
Much different from the "Why are you here? Where are you going? When are you leaving?" theater.
At Changi there were not lines at immigration at all and the officer asked me "Would you like a mint while I look at your passport?"
Much different from the "Why are you here? Where are you going? When are you leaving?" theater.
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Oops, I'm reconsidering my earlier comment about ICN being better than Changi. I just got back from Singapore, where I had a long layover and some time to really poke around, especially in terminal 3. Alas, it was evening and the butterfly garden was closed, but the rest was pretty impressive. Amenities-wise both airports are comparable, but Changi has a style and personality that ICN lacks, I think. I just might give it the edge.
-- Patrick Smith
-- Patrick Smith
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I've never particularly noticed ventilation as a problem. TSA, shopping & other facilities, and my #1 complaint: layout. I hate the way US airports are laid out. It's as if someone described how to lay out an airport to a designer. Who was blind. And new at the job. Over the phone. On a bad connection. I genuinely can't think of one where I like the layout. Denver almost gets into the Not Terrible range.