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Old Jun 21, 12, 2:21 pm   #16
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Doesn't Airbus also equip its A 380 aircraft with electronically controlled windows? How are those windows working out for Airbus. Any complaints by A380 passengers? Are Japanese passengers picky?
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That's a possibility too. It's neither difficult, nor expensive to do a study of how much trnaamission od light into the cabin is acceptable for sleep. If it wasn't done, it was sloppy on the part of Boeing.
But we don't know if it wasn't done. What's acceptable to one person isn't acceptable to another, so no matter how many studies you do, you aren't going to make everyone happy.
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[size=1]Doesn't Airbus also equip its A 380 aircraft with electronically controlled windows? How are those windows working out for Airbus. Any complaints by A380 passengers? Are Japanese passengers picky?
I don't recall electronic shades on a LH A388 I flew last fall...though it's possible I was just too busy devouring caviar.
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But we don't know if it wasn't done. What's acceptable to one person isn't acceptable to another, so no matter how many studies you do, you aren't going to make everyone happy.
That's why I offered the possibility that maybe the Japanese are too picky.
I don't remember hearing complaints about it being too dark when things were simple. You just pulled the shades down. There were complaints from people who wanted to look out the window that they weren't able to look out. If they could make as dark as it can be made with shades, there would be no more complaints about the cabin not being dark enough to sleep. No more than before anyway. That would be an objective criterion, which could implemented without a study.
You found drawback in my initial suggestion of study, but a little thinking removes all your objections.
Whether Boeing did a study or not is irrelevant now. All they6 had to do was make the cabin as dark as it could be made with shades.
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When given a demo of the 787 window shades in one of the Boeing test aircraft a while back, my first reaction was that they didn't go dark enough. The Boeing respnse was that this was a positive thing. The darkened windows, they said, let in enough light that the crew and others could still work in the darkened cabin without having to turn on lights. I didn't buy it. Apparantly, neither does ANA.
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Yes, I flew in J class from US-ZRH a years ago. When FA gave me a kit. I covered with my eyes. I slept in J class during on TATL flight.
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Doesn't Airbus also equip its A 380 aircraft with electronically controlled windows? How are those windows working out for Airbus. Any complaints by A380 passengers? Are Japanese passengers picky?
Nope its the old style on the A380.
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Nope its the old style on the A380.
Thanks. One manufacturer of such windows claims that they are on A380, but I had not read or heard any such thing.
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Maybe--and remember, every piece of equipment on that plane was manufactured by the lowest bidder.
Really?
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It seems that some people just can't accept that this might be a real issue. Blame anyone, but not Boeing.
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When given a demo of the 787 window shades in one of the Boeing test aircraft a while back, my first reaction was that they didn't go dark enough. The Boeing respnse was that this was a positive thing. The darkened windows, they said, let in enough light that the crew and others could still work in the darkened cabin without having to turn on lights. I didn't buy it. Apparantly, neither does ANA.
That excuse as flmsy as they come and shoot a gaping hole in "growing pains" theory.
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Anyone know how Boeing is going to satisfy ANA? Fix the window electronics or refit with additional traditional shades?
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I assume this window could also be problematical for daytime photography, if it isnt as clear as the glass and plastic normally used? Does anyone have experience with that?
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